Talk:Harro Schulze-Boysen

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Old section[edit]

Beginning in 1935, he gathered around himself a circle of left-leaning anti-fascists, among them artists, pacifists, and Communists. The circle published anti-fascist writings. In 1935 he contacted the Soviet embassy in Berlin and offered his services as a spy. His offer was accepted and he was given the codename "Corporal" and the NKVD file 34122.

On 16 July 1936 he married Libertas Haas-Heye in Liebenberg with Hermann Göring giving away the bride.^[1] At one time a press officer for Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, his wife joined the resistance group. In 1936, Schulze-Boysen made contact with Arvid Harnack and his circle, and also with the Communists Hilde and Hans Coppi. From these meetings arose what the Gestapo called the Red Orchestra (Rote Kapelle) group.

In 1940-1941, the group was in wireless contact with Soviet agents, and was thereby trying to thwart the forthcoming invasion eastward against the Soviet Union. (As a first lieutenant on the Luftwaffe Leadership Staff, Schulze-Boysen had access to secret documents.)

References

^ Hastings. Page 29.

Leading up to meeting Harnack[edit]

From 1940 on Harnack cooperated with Harro Schulze-Boysen, whom he had met in 1935. [1].
In 1940 Kuckhoff met Harro Schulze-Boysen. German Resistance Memorial Center
She married Adam Kuckhoff in January 1937 and had a son. She introduced the Harnacks to Harro and Libertas Schulze-Boysen in 1940.
It was Greta Kuckhoff who introduced the two groups in 1940 sometime. 6 hours of work. scope_creep^Talk 21:07, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The kuckhoffs were agents of Harnack and friends of schulze-boysen.

Manfred Roeder 13 document has some information about Erdberg, various grousp.
Check Perrault.
Check Die Zeit. scope_creep^Talk 22:00, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kesaris[edit]

p.140 is important. scope_creep^Talk 22:15, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Perrault[edit]

p.238. Visit to Berlin Zoo, Sukolov, organise transmitters. scope_creep^Talk 22:19, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Brysac[edit]

Look up decemberists. ^[1]

References

^ Shareen Blair Brysac (23 May 2002). Resisting Hitler: Mildred Harnack and the Red Orchestra. Oxford University Press. pp. 236–. ISBN 978-0-19-992388-5. Retrieved 7 January 2020.

Libertas as "one of his most active agents" ...[edit]

In the section Marriage there is the sentence about Libertas: "She was fully aware of his activities in the resistance and was one of his most active agents, taking part in writing pamphlets and acting as both a courier and recruiter for the group."(Kesaris p. 141) Libertas did support Harro´s resistance and his intelligence activities but I doubt that independent researchers would describe Libertas as Harrro´s agent. Can we agree on removing the word agent? It may imply a handler/agent relationship and it looks like an WP:EXCEPTIONAL claim which should be supported by multiple high-quality mainstream sources. JimRenge (talk) 14:09, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @JimRenge: Aye, I'd say so, assuming you have something good to replace it with. I don't know how you would frame it. Excellent work. scope_creep^Talk 15:17, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm currently updating Libertas's article. It has been ongoing for a wee while. So whatever you put in here, I'll put in there. scope_creep^Talk 15:18, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Norman Ohler, The Bohemians: The Lovers Who Led Germany's Resistance Against the Nazis, is explicitly about the couple. It might shed some light. Hope that helps. scope_creep^Talk 15:22, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Scope creep:, I have modified the sentence according to Hürtig/NDB. Feel free to improve it. JimRenge (talk) 18:07, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

TV documentary[edit]

In this TV documentary, a scholar says that Harro's report even reached Stalin himself, warning of imminent invasion. Stalin said "this report is misinformation, send it back to that son-of-a-bitch". I can find no other information about this. TGCP (talk) 16:58, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @TGCP: I read similar reports about it, but not the text, although everything Stalin said, after he became leader, was recorded. He was too ignorant to understand it and thought his concord with Hitler was worth something. scope_creep^Talk 17:30, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Old ref[edit]

Ernst, Volkmar (10 September 2017). "Liebenberger Stolpersteine im Schlosshof" (in German). Brandenburg: Märkisches Medienhaus GmbH & Co. KG. Moz.de. Retrieved 18 December 2019.

Domain is dead and seems not to be used. scope_creep^Talk 10:08, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Hastings. Page 29.

[Brysac2002-2] Shareen Blair Brysac (23 May 2002). Resisting Hitler: Mildred Harnack and the Red Orchestra. Oxford University Press. pp. 236–. ISBN 978-0-19-992388-5. Retrieved 7 January 2020.

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