Talk:Henry Brougham Farnie

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Delibes work[edit]

I have placed a footnote about Fleur-de-lys which is listed on this page as it is not in Grove Opera 1997, nor mentioned in de Curzon's book about the composer. Is this a case of a pastiche of an existing Delibes piece with new words/story by Farnie? Does anyone have a reliable source showing it being an original work? (or if a translation / pastiche, the work it is based on) ThanksCg2p0B0u8m (talk) 13:49, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It does not seem to be a pastiche, but rather, like many of Farnie's shows, an English adaptation of a French opera bouffe. Probably in 2 acts, whereas the French piece was probably in 3 acts. Emily Soldene and Selina Dolaro starred in it in 1874. See: http://books.google.com/books?id=eJ0JAQAAMAAJ&pg=PR19&dq=H.+B.+Farnie&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Yq7AUuqzBKuM7Aa8ioHoBA&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=H.%20B.%20Farnie&f=false -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:22, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for your reply, yes you are right. I followed one of your links and found a page which gave 'Islington - Page 152' (books.google.co.uk/books?id=RDWAAAAAIAAJ)

Charles Harris - 1974 - ‎Snippet view - ‎More editions

H. B. Farnie, the librettist of Genevieve, took rooms in the City Road during the run but found himself busy in west end light musicals ... In 1875 Delibes' La Cour du Roi Petaud was produced under the title Fleur de lys, with Soldene and Dolare. - So I will make a note under La Cour du Roi Petaud. Cg2p0B0u8m (talk) 19:30, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, here is full info: http://books.google.com/books?id=1UM5AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA524&lpg=PA524&dq=Farnie+%22Fleur-de-lys%22+adams+dictionary+drama&source=bl&ots=mQpG_AbdTz&sig=K-0erldaLfg_azilaHuuqGtNOwY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=UQ1cU_WdIKm3sATl74DYDA&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Farnie%20%22Fleur-de-lys%22%20adams%20dictionary%20drama&f=false -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:53, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Roses[edit]

I would hazard a guess, with no reliable source at all, that the Rose of Auvergne is La rose de Saint-Flour by Offenbach... Cg2p0B0u8m (talk) 21:34, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have (or have access to) Harding J. Jacques Offenbach. John Calder, London, 1980. Apparently, it is discussed somewhere in this book (our article on La rose de Saint-Flour says so). It would be good if we can confirm and add a page number. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:09, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't (I must have found the Harding in a library), but I have others on Offenbach and will check them before searching for the Harding. Yes, would be nice to add. Cg2p0B0u8m (talk) 19:23, 20 September 2023 (UTC) PS this is the vocal score - https://s9.imslp.org/files/imglnks/usimg/f/f3/IMSLP146834-PMLP135509-Offenbach_-_La_rose_de_Saint-Flour_EnVS_Sibley.1802.16059.pdf - found under La Rose de Saint-Flour at IMSLP, but it probably isn't enough so I will look for a better reference. Cg2p0B0u8m (talk) 19:27, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This says so. Good enough? -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:39, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've done it - do tweak. Now, I wonder if the Barber of Bath is related to Lecocq's 'bluette bouffe' Le Barbier de Trouville...? Cg2p0B0u8m (talk) 16:51, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, Apothicaire et perruquier. I added a ref to a programme note by Andrew Lamb. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:24, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A couple more matches? The pet dove is La colombe, surely, and Little Faust! must be Le petit Faust... Cg2p0B0u8m (talk) 22:05, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I found citations for these. -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:42, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Great. Cg2p0B0u8m (talk) 21:13, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

mon français est très mauvais, so let me know if you see anything promising in any of the operetta-related articles, and I'll keep googling. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:49, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I will see what I can do... for my reference the main puzzles in this particular article are a song "The Dove and the Maiden" (music by Jacques Offenbach), and 'Gounod's' Ulysse - noted here for my, and anyone else's pondering. Cg2p0B0u8m (talk) 22:18, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Dove and the Maiden: Could it be from Bluebeard/The White Dove? It is subtitled in the sheet music: The Admired Idyll from The bridge of sighs, so could it be from Le pont des soupirs?
Gounod's article says "Ulysse, tragedy by M. Ponsard (1851)". Farnie's translations was given a charity performance in 1866. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:32, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're very good at this! The Gounod is incidental music, mainly choruses, he wrote for a five-act play so I suppose Farnie must have translated/adapted the play itself... (I have updated the List of compositions by Charles Gounod page with some more detail) - I should have twigged as it isn't among his operas. The song is from Le pont des soupirs, as you say: it's sung by Malatromba in Act 2 "La colombe et l'autour" (p50 of this, if anyone's checking). Cg2p0B0u8m (talk) 20:17, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Teamwork! -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:45, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]