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A fact from Hollywood Boulevard Commercial and Entertainment District appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 12 November 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Hollywood Boulevard Commercial and Entertainment District has 102 properties within 12 blocks and contains "excellent examples of the predominant architecture styles of the 1920s and 1930s"?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/November. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hollywood Boulevard Commercial and Entertainment District.

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GA Review

Unsuccessful. ForksForks (talk) 15:05, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: Gb321 (talk · contribs) 04:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: ForksForks (talk · contribs) 15:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to fail this article because it fails the third criteria of the WP:GAFAIL criteria: a maintenance tag that is unquestionably still valid. This has to do with the unencyclopedic quantity of images in the article. No prejudice from me against renominating once these are fixed.

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Re-nominating for Good Article

feedback from previous nomination was addressed (not sure why I wasn't given any time to address the feedback before the previous nomination was failed, the feedback was not difficult to address)

hope the re-nomination works Gb321 (talk) 20:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Gb321, I don't think these were reasonable quickfails, no. If this happens to you in the future, try talking it out with the reviewer and see where that gets you, and if the answer is nowhere, come to WT:GAN for advice. By the way - I think the lead here is too short and should summarize more of the article; your reviewer will probably bring that up, so you might as well expand it a bit now. -- asilvering (talk) 20:53, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Unsuccessful. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 20:48, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: Gb321 (talk · contribs) 20:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: NoobThreePointOh (talk · contribs) 20:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this and add comments in a while. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 20:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, I'm quickfailing this article for these reasons:

The tag on the top has not been removed, as mentioned by the reviewer in the previous GA review and per the third criteria in WP:GAFAIL.
There are still too many images which can distract the reader from the article.
Some of the images, like the 1902/03 and the 1905 images are also not placed in the correct sections, which results in certain paragraphs being considerably quite squashed together and unreadable.

Please feel free to renominate once the article seems like it meets GA criteria. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 20:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Re-nominating for Good Article Again

Re-nominating again. Is this really the best way to do this? To have the article rejected then have to re-nominate after changes are made? Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations/Instructions#Step_4:_What_to_do_during_a_review says "You are expected to respond to the reviewer's suggestions to improve the article to GA quality in a timely manner," which seems to imply there is another process that is supposed to be happening, rather than immediate fails for items that aren't too difficult to fix.

GA Review

Passed. SirBrahms (talk) 09:48, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: Gb321 (talk · contribs) 06:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: SirBrahms (talk · contribs) 19:17, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be reviewing this article. Just giving it a basic look it's looking stable and I haven't spotted any cleanup tags. I am also unaffiliated with the article, so I should be fine as well. Regards, SirBrahms (talk) 19:17, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Hi SirBrahms! asilvering mentioned in a comment above that he thinks the lede in this article is too short. I've been brainstorming what to add to it and have some ideas, would you like me to add them before you review the article or would you like to review the article as is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gb321 19:45, 3 October 2024 (UTC) (talk • contribs) [reply]

Please add your ideas, ping me when you're done. Regards, SirBrahms (talk) 19:52, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

done! Gb321 (talk) 06:18, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Initial Review: Criteria 1a and 1b are definitely met. The article reads concisely and seems to comply with WP:MOS.

Criterion 3a is also met in my opinion. It is, however, arguable whether that many buildings should be listed for each architectural style (Criterion 3b). For example, the paragraph about Classic Revival lists 16 different buildings.

Criterion 4 is met, the article seems to be written from a neutral point of view. It is also stable (criterion 5) and the images are placed correctly, have helpful captions and I don't see any copyright violations.

As for criteria 2a, b, c, and d I have not yet finished checking all sources. Although Tthe copivio detector did detect some larger overlap between source 1 and the text (especially in Description) but it doesn't appear to be plagiarism outright. Regards, SirBrahms (talk) 11:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After doing a spot-check of the sources I am happy to mark criteria 2a, b, c, and d as passed. Leaving only criterion 3b for consideration (I am inviting discussion, but I am of the opinion that the excessive number of buildings enumerated detracts from the focus of the article). Regards, SirBrahms (talk) 12:54, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the number of buildings listed for each architectural style, I simply listed each contributing property for each style. I think this is pertinent info, especially since it is in the "Contributing properties" subsection, however I am open to a better way to present the info if what is currently there does not feel right. Maybe mention the most prominent contributing properties in text, followed by all of the contributing properties in a table or bullet pointed list? I'd be interested to hear more thoughts. Thanks! Gb321 (talk) 20:04, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I was thinking of something similar. Maybe the other properties can be put in their own subsection (like Other properties or something) with a table containing all relevant info. If the other properties are gonna be "integrated" with the text, I'd suggest using a bulleted list. Regards, SirBrahms (talk) 21:55, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now that I'm thinking about it, it might also be viable to move the other properites into an external list? SirBrahms (talk) 22:57, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

what is an external list? Do you mean another article that is a list article? Gb321 (talk) 02:46, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, exactly SirBrahms (talk) 07:43, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I created and linked to this. I still need to add pics to that article and also adjust the text on this article to reflect that that article now exists. Give me a couple days. Thanks! Gb321 (talk) 06:32, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. Please notify me once you finish your changes. I will mark the article as on hold until then. Regards, SirBrahms (talk) 07:42, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I made the changes. let me know if you think any more are necessary. Gb321 (talk) 23:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. I apologise for the wait.

I have reviewed your changes and I think the article can now be promoted to GA-Status. Thank you for your contributions! Regards, SirBrahms (talk) 09:45, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(As for the sources I checked: 1-15, 24, 25, 39, 130 and 136) SirBrahms (talk) 09:45, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Kimikel talk 04:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Eight of the district's 102 buildings, five of which are contributing properties

... that the Hollywood Boulevard Commercial and Entertainment District has 102 properties within 12 blocks and contains "excellent examples of the predominant architecture styles of the 1920s and 1930s"?

Source: "National Register of Historic Places Inventory Nomination Form - Hollywood Boulevard Commercial and Entertainment District". United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service. April 4, 1985. https://npgallery.nps.gov/GetAsset/236d3254-47ee-4b31-9045-c2999cc465f2/

Reviewed:

Improved to Good Article status by Gb321 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Gb321 (talk) 16:08, 14 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing:
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - no - https://npgallery.nps.gov/GetAsset/236d3254-47ee-4b31-9045-c2999cc465f2/

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: While Proper nouns can be expected to be reused from sources, whole sentence chunks from the cited source from 1985 appear in the article, these will need to be trimmed, rephrased. See https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Hollywood_Boulevard_Commercial_and_Entertainment_District&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=0 Bogger (talk) 08:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've adjusted the article and I believe it now meets all requirements. Do I resubmit or will this submission continue forward? Gb321 (talk) 17:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments have been addressed ALT0 approved. -Bogger (talk) 19:27, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]