Talk:Hotel Brexton

A fact from Hotel Brexton appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 16 September 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Hotel Brexton in Baltimore was once home to Wallis Simpson, the American divorcee who married Edward VIII?

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:23, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hotel Brexton in Baltimore

... that the Hotel Brexton in Baltimore was once home to Wallis Simpson? Source: King, Greg (May 2011). The Duchess of Windsor. ISBN 9780806535210.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Squatting in Peru

~~Moved to mainspace~~Created and largely developed by Doncram (talk). Nominated by Evrik (talk) at 03:22, 30 May 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Hotel Brexton; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing: - some minor concerns
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - pretty much copies the distracted wanderer

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Doncram and Evrik: Good article. Though, is thedistractedwanderer a reliable source and should "and it remains closed in 2022." have a citation? Also, the article pretty much copies the distracted wanderer article verbatim [1] . So if it's a good source to use than you're going to need to do some rewording. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:32, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Doncram: Can you answer the concerns? --evrik ^(talk) 01:01, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

- Thank you User:Evrik for your developing this DYK and User:Onegreatjoke for the attention you have paid. I am kind of shocked and I bristle about the characterization that "the article pretty much copies the distracted wanderer article verbatim"; I put good, original writing effort into this article and it is not merely copy-pasted from some other site. However, I do see that "Earwig" shows there are two passages, not indicated as quotations, which I agree are unacceptable overlaps to the page. Looking into the article's history, I see that one of those passages was added by me, as a longish explicit quotation from a different site, https://explore.baltimoreheritage.org/items/show/333, which is not attributed to distracted wanderer and vice versa. I will further look into which of those two pages is the original (or if there is another source that is the original, and I will look into how the editing process of this Wikipedia article lost track of the explicit quotation marks without having properly rewording the passage. I do see one edit by another editor on January 26, 2022 that began confusing the situation by doing some rewording and adding a paragraph break in the passage while (inaccurately, technically) leaving it in quotes. I suppose it's likely I later got further confused and/or made an outright error myself. I will plan to figure out the rest of what happened, remedy the article one way or another, and report back here in a day or two or three. Thank you. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 02:04, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, was the problematic edit. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 02:17, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

User:Evrik, I have made revisions and I think it is okay now. It's hard to say if the hotel is open or not now; does being listed on airbnb count (despite there seemingly being no front desk, no way to contact the place)? See wording I gave. Evrik, please feel free to make further revisions. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 03:25, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Onegreatjoke: Thoughts? 00:41, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think the hook fact itself is fine, but it may need some brief mention of who Wallis Simpson is, for the benefit of people who don't know her. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:21, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alt0a~~... that the Hotel Brexton in Baltimore was once home to Wallis, Duchess of Windsor?~~
Alt0b... that the Hotel Brexton in Baltimore was once home to Wallis Simpson, the American divorcee for whom Edward VIII abdicated?

--evrik ^(talk) 15:38, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A ping to Onegreatjoke. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 15:47, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If I may interject, I would recommend against Alt0a, as it is not correct. The Duchess of Windsor never lived in the hotel. It would be okay if it said instead: "the Hotel Brexton in Baltimore was once home to Wallis Simpson, future Duchess of Windsor?" I would suggest Alt0b instead. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 02:09, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Doncram and Evrik: Sorry for taking so long to respond. While some of the more egregious copyright issues have been, if you check the earwig here [2] you can see that there is still significant WP:CLOP issues that prevent me from approving. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:53, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Doncram: It looks like its one or two sentences that need rewording. --evrik ^(talk) 02:59, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

evrik, I regret to inform you that Doncram died on July 9. I hope, as nominator, you will be able to take care of the issues that remain. If not, perhaps you can find someone who is able? Thank you, and sorry for the bad news. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:09, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would "vote" for alt0b with one suggestion: link to Edward VIII. Significa liberdade (talk) 01:23, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BlueMoonset and Onegreatjoke: I took out some superfluous text to lower earwig's reaction. I think the rest of the earwig reading comes from quotes. --evrik ^(talk) 03:46, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It has been over two weeks, and Onegreatjoke has not returned despite pings both here and on their talk page. New reviewer needed to determine whether copyright issues still remain. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:51, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New enough, long enough. ALT0b short enough and sourced (as is every paragraph), though I agree, Edward VIII should be wikilinked. No neutrality problems found, no copyright problems found, no maintenance templates found. QPQ done and image properly licensed. I am not happy with using Facebook or Airbnb as sources - anything else?--Laun chba ller 14:18, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

- - - I'm just resurfacing. I will look at it in the next couple of days. --evrik ^(talk) 19:54, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      - @Launchballer: Evrik hasn't returned since the time of the above comment. Should this nomination still continue, or given how it's still unresolved and this is now the oldest active nomination, it can be closed? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:54, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My objection regarded the last three sources, which I've taken out. I think this is fine as is.--Laun chba ller 09:12, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1881 or 1891 built and/or opened

There's a mix of the two dates in the article. Lede has built 1881 and the infobox has Completed 1881. Building section has opened 1891. The categories are 1891. References are mixed. The hotel's website has "1881 - Construction of Hotel Brexton began" but doesn't mention an opening date nor "1891". It wouldn't have taken 10 years to build? Sorry, I'm confused (or missing something?) JennyOz (talk) 11:59, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]