Talk:House of Welf

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Guelphs in Italy[edit]

From the article: partisans of the Pope came to be known as "Guelphs" in Italian...

Surely they would have been known as guelfi, if we are talking about Italian?--Seamus O'Halloran 07:26, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Ah, but we are not talking about Italian; nor are we writing in it. We are writing in English, and in English, their plurals are styled Guelphs or Guelfs (See Guelphs and Ghibellines). Cheers, Jersey_Jim 08:30, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Hate to be pedantic, but would it not then be partisans of the Pope came to be known as Guelphs in Italy ? Just wondering!--Seamus O'Halloran 20:42, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

!! <slap to forehead, otherwise known as the translator's salute>. Fixed. Next time, fix it yourself (and save me the embarrassment of sticking my foot in my mouth! <g>). Best regards Jersey_Jim 04:02, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Descendants of Queen Victoria[edit]

"Members of the Welf dynasty continued to rule in Britain until the death of Queen Victoria in 1901;"

Surely they didn't stop ruling then, since Victoria was succeed by her son.

The convention is that one belongs to the dynasty of one's father, so that Victoria's son, Edward VII of the United Kingdom, was a member of the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, to which his father belonged. --Chl 18:01, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
So following your convention, Victoria herself was not a Welf as the real house of Welf became extinct in 1055 when Welf died childless. The son of his sister took his name. So yea why not consider Victoria's children as Welf when she was considered as Welf ? (talk) 15:50, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

agnatically, you're 100% correct. but edward vii officially was a wettin, not a welf, as prince albert was from the house of wettin. this is a common, well accepted principle behind the naming of all european noble and royal/imperial houses. it's this little thing called 'salic law' however, this principle is very occasionally violated, as with the 'welfs' who were actually of the house of este. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:10, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

what Chl Chl said is that one belongs to the dynasty of one's father. Victoria's father was a Welf. The House of Welf did not go extinct, it just lost the British throne. Also, it should be noted that the ruling dynasty of UK was a cadet branch of Welfs, the house of Hanover, which I believe are the remaining Welfs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:50, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

"what Chl Chl said is that one belongs to the dynasty of one's father." Trouble is as you said it yourself, Victoria ancestors were not Welf (in a strict sense) as they were from the House of Este, Welf IV and (I of Bavaria) inherited House of Welf's lands from his maternal uncle (the last of the real House of Welf) so there was no paternal link. It does mean Victoria's father dynasty in its old fashioned name was Este and not Welf. (talk) 23:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Naming Conventions[edit]

I notice the usual conundrum in German articles - the random applications of either traditional German or Anglicized names. I notice Heinrich von Saxony is 'Henry', but Georg and Wilhelm aren't George or William. Does this seem inconsistant to anyone else? LTC David J. Cormier (talk) 20:10, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Saxon Steed[edit]

While the Saxon steed was part of, and still is, the arms of the Welfs, it actually was only part of the arms of the Hanoverian cadet branch. The lions are more associated with the welf family and the two lions passant have been used by Welfs since Otto IV. Would it not be a better picture? (talk) 04:01, 7 May 2011 (UTC)