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I've added a picture of a housing estate in the Dublin suburbs which is more typical of what we mean by the term in Britain and Ireland. Sarah777 24 September 2006

Contradiction

Medium density? In Singapore some of these housing estates have pretty high densities. Elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (Be eudaimonic!) 03:53, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, second that: those photos look more like tower blocks, and the Bukit Batok New Town is a town! Vagary 20:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that "Housing Estate" refers to different kind of stuff in UK, Singapore and Hong Kong. Better either to separate them or clarify their localized meaning. 06-Sept-2006

Agree with Elle & Vagary re the density line. See my edit, here. -- MLD · T · C · @: 16:33, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Objections

"Generally housing estates are monotenure" - it isn't right generally. E. g., in Prague (Czech Republic) were (during socialism era) often combined state buildings and cooperative buildings in one "sídliště" (housing estate of panel prefab housing blocks). Now are many housing estates privatized, often almost every building have one different owner (mostly small cooperatives of flate owners).

"Generally housing estates provide social housing." - it isn't right generally. In many places, housing estates constitute a middle housing standard. Social housing is typical for old small worker's cottages or old rent house blocks. Modern housing estates have full modern equipment and infrastructure, they hardly can be purely social housing. --ŠJů (talk) 02:41, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of POV going on but fewer dispassionate hard facts

A housing estate isn't a "problem" - it's an area of houses for people to live in. This article should describe the different designs and layouts of housing estates. They can be owned by individuals, municipalities, states or - as someone has pointed out (and which certainly happens in several countries) contain a mixture of private and public dwellings.

POV come into play when editors imply "well I don't live on a housing estate (it's where bad people live)". This is just putting prejudice on the page.

I suppose we need an editor who is a town planner; someone who can rationally list the different types of housing estates - before rushing into ... there's lots of crime down on the estate ... they're at it again, those low-life unemployed people. It may surprise thos editors, that expensive housing can, and is, organised into "housing estates". We are not writing about what, in the 1960s and 70s in the US, they called "the project". We're talking about a way of organising housing which is not a hamlet, village, or situated on the High Street. Francis Hannaway (talk) 15:24, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed merge with Housing development

Both refer to the same concept. The major dictionaries note that "housing estate" is the British term for "housing development". Paul_012 (talk) 08:53, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Makes sense to me. The term "housing development" is better. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 18:07, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support, the only question then being the direction. Which term is better probably depends on your country of origin. The Housing estate article is older, specifically covers examples from multiple countries, and is less ambiguous, given that (as the current hatnote attests): "For the division of land into pieces that are easier to sell or otherwise develop, also known as "housing development", see Subdivision (land)." So, suggest merging to Housing estate. Klbrain (talk) 08:07, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. In British English, the term "housing development" does not mean "a structured real estate development of residential buildings... often erected on a tract of land by one builder and controlled by one management." The term "housing development" means any development of housing - whether one or a thousand properties, built by a single or many developers. That is, the term does not have the same specific meaning as it does in the US. That is not necessarily a reason to oppose merging the articles, as they appear to cover similar concepts, but it does mean that there needs to be clarity in the definitions used. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:12, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 05:38, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Czech Republic and Slovakia

I don't know why the Czech Republic and Slovakia are specifically mentioned, coming from the communist block myself, the housing estate was prevailing in all Eastern-European so called socialist countries. The entire concept comes from Stalinist Russia, I guess. Just my 2 cents. Hhgygy (talk) 09:11, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Broadly agree, but I think the solution is to expand the material to explain all this. There are by now at least a few books in English that could be used for source material. Jim Killock (talk) 19:41, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Housing estate#Etymology argues that the origin is earlier than would be consistent with a Stalinist Russia origin. Industrial revolution Model village seems more likely. I wonder, then, if the Russian origins comes through Karl Marx. Klbrain (talk) 05:26, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Housing estate" is a strictly British term

"Housing estate" is a strictly British term. It is never used in the U.S. In fact, the whole concept of "estate" is completely different in the U.S. (where it means a grand and large single-owner mansion plus land), which also does not have "council estates".

Therefore the title of this article and the terminology used is parochial and British. The title should be changed to the neutral Housing development, which got merged into this article. Softlavender (talk) 19:49, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]