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No mention of Rosenburg's Jewish heritage?

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There is a lot to write about Isaac Rosenberg; as previosuly mentioned his Jewish heritage; his time at Slade and of course his career at the front.

A lot of the information at this website: [1] is of great use.

Narsamson 23:26, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Has anyone else noticed that he was born in both 1890 and 1897?

I think this has since been fixed in the wording, but 1890 is the correct date according to the LoC Authorities files TheStripèdOne 02:02, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Probably the most important thing to mention is his place among the war poets - specifically, his poetry is a harbringer for modernism and has more in common with the 1920s poetry of Eliott and Pound than any of the other war poetry.

Section on fame and reception needed

On Friday March 28, 2008, the BBC Radio 4 arts programme Front Row had a feature on Isaac Rosenberg, on which a critic said that his poetry should be rated as being as good as that of Wilfred Owen, Siegfried Sassoon or Rupert Brooke. Yet, in Britain today, it seems conservative to suggest that he is not as well known as these other poets. Perhaps a section could include discussion of why this might be so (for example, his working class background). Although it might violate Wikipedia's NPOV policy for any Wikipedian to claim that his poetry was as good as that of, say, Wilfred Owen, it would surely not violate NPOV to have a section discussing why he is less famous than these other names. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 00:08, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry - the following corrects my last comment

Sorry, I now remember the edition of "Front Row" was on Thursday March 27 2008.The details of this edition, including reference to Jean Moorcroft Wilson and how she has a book coming out on Rosenberg in April 2008, are available on: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/frontrow/past_programmes.shtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by ACEOREVIVED (talk • contribs) 00:16, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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'After turning down an offer to apply for a commission to become a lance corporal.....'

Lance Corporals in the army are the lowest rank of non-commissioned officer (NCO). Either the passage should read the commission was to become a second lieutenant (the lowest commissioned rank), or that the application was for promotion to lance corporal. Which is correct?Cloptonson (talk) 21:31, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The cited source (Noakes, p.xxxiii) says, 'He is offered promotion to Lance-Corporal, but declines,' so that's what it should say. It may not be correct, though. In a letter to Miss Seaton in December 1915 (The Collected Works of Isaac Rosenberg, ed. Ian Parsons, Chatto & Windus, London, 1979, ISBN 0 7011 1329 4, p.226), he wrote, 'I am put down for a Lance-Corporal. The advantage is, though you have a more responsible position, you are less likely to be interfered with by the men, and you become an authority.' It sounds as if he did want the promotion. He had only joined up that October, so his high intelligence seems to have been noticed by his officers early on. He certainly hated being a private ('Believe me the army is the most detestable invention on earth and nobody but a private in the army knows what it is to be a slave' -- letter to Lascelles Abercrombie, 11 March 1916, CW p.230), and he could have done with more pay. Perhaps he later changed his mind, suspecting he would have had too much trouble asserting himself, or else the CO might have turned down the company commander's recommendation. A few weeks later, in a letter postmarked 5 January 1916, by which time he had transferred from 12th Suffolk Bantams to 12th South Lancashires, he wrote to his patron Edward Marsh, editor of Georgian Poetry and Assistant Private Secretary to the Prime Minister no less, 'I have heard it is not difficult to get a commission. Do you know anything about it?' (CW p.229.) But this does not seem to have led anywhere. Noakes says he 'toyed briefly with the idea of applying for a commission' and the Wiki editor may have mixed this up with the possible promotion to lance-corporal. Khamba Tendal (talk) 12:14, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]