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Conflicting info

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There are some conflictng sources on this person. For example, some say his mother was a cousin of Kamehameha I, but his grandfather is (incorrectly) listed as Kameeiamoku-a-Keauiaole who is not the same as Kameʻeiamoku ? That is, father of Kameeiamokuakeauiaole is given as Keauiaole and wife as Liloa-Wahine, so I think some confuse the two.

Look at this Link. Be aware that Kapohelemai was daughter of Keawenui and not Kumulae as it describes there. It seems that Cummins was a descendant of Liloa, so his mother was a really distant cousin of Kamehameha I.
It's been misinterpreted that Kameeiamoku and Kaumakaokane, children of Keauiaole and Liloa, had a child named Kaumakaokane II who is J.A.'s mother. However, Kaumakaokane II and Kameeiamoku-a-keauiaole are just siblings, and of those siblings, Kaumakaokane II married Thomas Cummins and had J.A. Cummins. Kaumakaokane I is two generations before Keauiaole. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:1114:E1:18AD:4B7F:EA11:A52 (talk) 21:01, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also I cannot find any records of Cummins' marriages in official government records, although there are many references to his first wife which seems the most legal. W Nowicki (talk) 21:47, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly Incorrect Info

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"He was a namesake of island governor John Adams Kuakini (1789–1844), who in turn was named for John Quincy Adams."

This, taken from the first section on Cummins' life, is probably incorrect. John Quincy Adams was only 22 years old in 1789 when John Adams Kuakini was born, and had not yet made a name for himself aside from being the son and personal secretary of his father, then Vice President John Adams. Hence, Governor John Adams Kuakini was most likely named for John Adams, not John Quincy Adams. -Daytripper07 (talk) 18:06, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not incorrect, but misleading. Thank for pointing it out. Americans did not settle on Hawaii island (except for a few sailors like Young and Davis, who were actually British born) until the 1820s, which is when Kuakini took that as a nickname. Adams was secretary of state before being president too, just as the Americans were coming in numbers. I will try to clarify. W Nowicki (talk) 21:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In "A residence in the Sandwich islands" by William Ellis it says "The name of Adams was given to Kuakini when a child, at the time the presidential chair of the United States was filled by our venerable countryman of Quincy. The governor considers the name a great honor, and prefers it, in being addressed, to any other." This makes no sense because Kuakini was not a child at the time of John Quincy Adams or John Adams was president he was a grown man by the time of the American Revolution; maybe Bingham just mixed up somehow.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:45, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It is possible that the reference "at the time the presidential chair of the United States was filled by our venerable countryman of Quincy" means John Adams, who was from Quincy, Massachusetts. Adams became president in 1797, when Kuakini was eight years old, so technically a child. --Daytripper07 (talk) 16:05, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Genealogy Notes

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Keaweaua (k) slept with Kamehaiku (w) and had Keauiaole (k). Keauiaole (k) slept with Liloawahine (w) and had Charles Kameeiamokuakeauiaole Mahoe (k), Charles Kalanikupule Mahoe (k), and Kaumakaokane II (w). Kaumakaokane II (w) married Thomas Jefferson Cummins (k) and had John Adams Kuakini Cummins (k).

Keauiaole (k) was a Mamakakaua (War Leader) under the regime of Kameeiamoku (k) and Kamanawa (k) who are known as the Royal Twins of Hawaii, as well as, The Royal Twins belonging to King Kekaulike (k). Keauiaole (k) was an old Chief that was put in charge of the Fort Lands of Honolulu and Konohiki over Nuuanu, Oahu. When Keauiaole (k) passed his position went to his son namely, Charles Kameeiamokuakeauiaole Mahoe (k). Charles is his english given name, Mahoe became his surname, and Kameeiamokuakeauiaole is his birth name which was given him by his father in honor of the "Royal Twin" Kameeiamoku. His name Kameeiamokuakeauiaole simply means Kameeiamoku belonging to Keauiaole. This is one of several ways that Kanaka make reference to their kin when having names of similarity with others within there society.

Sources that support this aforementioned information can be found at the Department of Land and Natural Resources - Bureau Of Conveyances under the name search Mahoe, Keauiaole, Kameeiamoku, and Cummins. Also, a search into the Land Commission Awards, Native and Foreign Testimonies, and other land records at the Hawaii State Archives will lead you to the supporting documents that provide this information. Another source would be Hawaiian Genealogies, Extracted From Hawaiian Language Newspapers, Vol. 1; Edith McKenzie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahoe (talk • contribs) 22:49, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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