Talk:John de Brantingham

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@Laurel Lodged: Why was this man categorised as non-ordained? [1]

The repeated use of "clergyman" implies to me that he was ordained i.e. clergy / priest. – Fayenatic London 22:39, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ecclesiastical benefices were often conferred on laymen. That fact that he held such offices does not necessarily mean that he was ordained. Then there's the fact that he was married.....pre-Reformation. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:59, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I can't understand why there is even a Wikipedia article for this person, who was not at all notable. For what it is worth, there is no evidence at all that he was married. The grant of a marriage (Agnes) meant that he had the power to marry an heiress to someone, ie he could marry her to one of his family or even sell the marriage -- it didn't mean he married her himself. The Emma, widow of John de Brantingham, referenced in the Calendar of Patent Rolls is clearly stated to have been the widow of a blanket-maker ("chaloner") not a holder of clerical offices, and therefore the wife of someone entirely different. 86.136.234.227 (talk) 21:59, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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