Talk:Joseph Gale

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"Young Chief Joseph"[edit]

In the first instance I linked this to Chief Joseph, but he lived from 1840-1904, which seems to mean that the person in that sentence isn't the same person as Chief Joseph, if the "1830-1839" time span in the sentence is accurate. The famous Chief Joseph is often referred to as Younger, and his father the Elder (from whom his son took over chief duties in 1871). So which is the Joseph who Gale supposedly knew? Is Joseph misplaced in this sentence about Gale's early history and does he need to be added somewhere later? He is mentioned later because Gale married the elder's daughter (see comment below) but what else is notable about their association? Is there any need to name drop him (whichever one it is) in the early part of the article? The latter part of the article refers to "Old" Chief Joseph and Young Chief Joseph. Elder and Younger might be better, I'm not sure what the historians say, but I'll look into it at some point... Katr67 18:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


It says he "acquired" his Indian wife. I'd like to change this to "married" but I don't know if this is accurate in a legal sense. "Acquired" makes her sound like property (would it be worded that way if she were white?), though unfortunately this was often pretty much the case, so I hesitate to change the word if it's true. But being the daughter of Old Chief Joseph, I would imagine that wasn't the case. If the word stands, more background is necessary. For example, was she "acquired" because he won her gambling or some such? Shudder. Katr67 18:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Proposed article deletion[edit]

I'm having trouble understanding this (proposal for deletion). According to the article, Joseph Gale

  • helped build and captained (commanded?) the first ship built in Oregon
  • saved the Oregon economy in its infancy by helping to bring thousands of livestock from California
  • served on the first executive committee
  • was provisional Governor

It seems well sourced, though I didn't check any of them. What's the scoop? —EncMstr 01:51, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I suspect vandalism. The user's only contributions are to propose deletions, including to a fully bluelinked disambiguation page. Is there a warning template for prodding articles in bad faith? Katr67 02:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I too think it's vandalism, or a sock puppet account, so I will remove the template now as Gale meets the notability requirment, and it is obivously well sourced. Aboutmovies 04:56, 8 March 2007 (UTC) OK, nevermind you already removed it. Aboutmovies 04:58, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Bean-Sinclair Party[edit]

The information concerning the Bean-Sinclair Party is in error on two points. First, the Bean-Sinclair Party departed Fort Smith, Arkansas in May 1830 (not in 1829). Second, the party was a fur trapping expedition that never got further west than the Rocky Mountains. In 1830, the Bean-Sinclair Party traveled up the Arkansas River and then trapped South Park in Colorado. After several skirmishes with Indians, and considerable dissension, the party wintered in Taos and then broke up.

Joseph Gale may well have been a member of the Bean-Sinclair Party. Several individuals joined this expedition in response to an advertisement that was published in a New Orleans newspaper. This might explain how a young sailor from the Chesapeake got to the Rockies. Also, Gale and several members of Bean-Sinclair joined Ewing Young's second California trip, and in later years Gale was good friends with several other members of the Bean-Sinclair Party (most notably, Jacob Leese). Despite the all this, I know of no conclusive information that Gale was a member of the Bean Sinclair Party. Backstrnd (talk) 17:39, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). Katr67 (talk) 14:32, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

You are right about the Bean Sinclair party and he was not ship wrecked with them either !! Hafen wrote about the ship wreck part but that has never been proven either. Nobody knows for sure yet, how he came to the west. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:07, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Joseph (Goff) Gale[edit]

According to the writings of Joseph Gale of himself and from others that knew him well and from all legal documentation from birth to death he states his name very simply himself to be Joseph Gale. The Goff part of his name has been added many years after his death by people trying to prove lineage, which as yet even with the best efforts from all of us is yet to be found or proven. I have studied this myself and found where Goff had been added to his name as a after thought in scribbled notes by Ellen and Goff was added later or as a maybe? People have repeated this and presented this as fact and it is just not true. Joseph Gale repeats over and over from letters and all legal documents that his name is Joseph Gale. I would be happy if someone would provide more info about this.

Additional note: Ina Contreras, grandaughter of Joseph Gale has written, Joseph's mother was a English Lady, Mary Martingale and Mary's father had at one time a title or position with Goff as part of the title.

Comment: I probably have more information on Joseph Gale and family than anyone alive today. If there is anyone that wants to discuss Joseph Gale information or history, I can be contacted. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:22, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Joseph Gale Historian —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:59, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the note. I have similar expertise on Gale's compatriot, David Hill. Unfortuently for both of us, it is difficult to work in that knowledge to a Wikipedia article. Basically, I can claim I am an expert all day anonymously on the internet, but how do we know? We have actually had that problem before, see Essjay controversy. So, we really on published material that appears in reliable sources to try and avoid that problem. Thus, to work in anything you have we would need to find it in published sources such as books, newspapers, magazines, journals, etc., and not self published material. Then it is easy to add the material. And, some of the info you do have could certainly be added, as I am assuming you found some of your knowledge in published sources. So start with that, then see if say the Oregon Historical Quarterly would be interested in an article on Gale. Aboutmovies (talk) 22:34, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

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