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If the station is known as CBS 2, then why is this article at KCBS-TV?? 66.32.252.70 01:28, 30 Jul 2005 (UTC)

People ask pointless questions.
Not a pointless question, but it is most definitely one that can be answered with a heaping spoonful of common sense. Mike H 15:51, Aug 16, 2005 (UTC)
It's a pointless question from someone who doesn't know anything about the official (and backed by the power of law) call signs of television and radio stations.Dale101usa (talk) 21:31, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

KCBS[edit]

KCBS has not adding a morning or noon newscast on weekends. Weekend news telecasts at 5, 6, and 11 p.m. are today the same.

Foolish writing in the article by someone[edit]

Who does not know anything about broadcast television:
"In the few areas of the western United States where viewers cannot receive CBS programs over-the-air, KCBS-TV is available on satellite to subscribers of Dish Network and DirecTV."

Anyone who knows anything knows that broadcast TV has a range limit of about 75 miles. So the part about "the western United States" is completely spurious. The broadcast TV stations in Los Angeles don't even reach Arizona, Nevada, San Diego, Fresno, San Luis Obispo, or San Francisco. In fact, San Francisco has long had an exact copy of the VHF channel allocations of Los Angeles, with no interference: channels 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, and 13. Dale101usa (talk) 21:42, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
The statement was simply to point out that the KCBS feed is made available by satellite providers, which is true. It is also true that there are remote pockets of the country that either may not have a primary affiliate of a given network or struggle to get a good signal of any broadcast TV station by normal means. I honestly don't see the problem.Kuahmel (talk) 01:46, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Removal of newscast schedules?[edit]

To all editors, please see the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Newscast_schedules.2C_redux, where the issue of removing locally originated programming schedules is discussed. Calwatch 05:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

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Error in link[edit]

The KCBS-TV article has a link to the wrong David Horowitz. It links to the author David Horowitz, rather than to the consumer advocate who used to be on KNBC and is known for "Fight Back." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.254.69.161 (talk) 15:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

NewsCentral branding[edit]

I have just found a source stating that the station and KCAL-TV were switching to the NewsCentral brand in the fall [1], but since it hasn't happened yet, I wanted to know if I should put it in right now. WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 15:40, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

It's official as of this week. If you want to note it and no one else beats you to it, go right ahead.Kuahmel (talk) 01:58, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Amelia Earhart[edit]

All sources indicate that this is her real name. I'll note it with a reference. She isn't that big to get her own page as of yet.

New list to add to the KCBS-TV page[edit]

I'm not sure how to proceed with this.

I have a chronological list of past and present General Managers for KNXT/KCBS-TV since 1951 that I would like to send to someone to add to the KCBS-TV page.

Can someone let me know what I need to do next?

Thank you,

Tom Patterson CBS Television - Los Angeles (former Supervisor of Studio Maintenance for KCBS-TV)

tom.patterson@cbs.com

Tompatterson69 (talk) 22:15, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

After communicating with this editor, who is new to Wiki, I concurred that this new information would be a useful and notable addition to the article. On his behalf I introduced the new heading "Former KNXT/KCBS General Managers" as the suggested place for him to include his list. I'm assuming that he will add it soon; if it doesn't appear I suppose that other editors will be free to delete it. Lantana11 (talk) 20:50, 14 July 2010 (UTC)Lantana11Lantana11 (talk) 20:50, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Judging by the fact that it's a list of "General Managers", I can see how it might be argued that the information is potentially "notable" in terms of their relation to the station; but is it "verifiable" according to our policies. Unreferenced "original research" based on personal recollections are a problem. Will it be citing a published source? cheers Deconstructhis (talk) 21:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
As far as I know this information is an official CBS document of some sort, which would presumably be footnoted as such; but it belongs to the editor who began this thread, and so it would remain to be seen how it will appear, if and when it does. Lantana11 (talk) 21:53, 14 July 2010 (UTC)Lantana11Lantana11 (talk) 21:53, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest that you post this inquiry to the reliable sources noticeboard WP:RSN and see what the folks over there have to say about it. My guess is that they'll dismiss the source as an unpublished CBS 'internal document' of some sort, and that Mr. Patterson is deriving his information from personal knowledge utilizing original research; but it doesn't hurt to ask them. If the stations were to put this kind of information on their own websites, at least, it would provide some hope of being able to claim there was an aspect of verifiability to it. cheers Deconstructhis (talk) 03:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for sticking with this issue--and I concur with you entirely. Here's the thing: I haven't seen this "list" and don't know what it entails. I'm friendly with this user, though he is not an active editor, and after he informed me of this information, I encouraged him to add it and as a courtesy to him inserted the section heading so he could start. He hasn't responded since. This being the case, I'm pretty much done with the matter, and if nothing is added I guess the heading will rightly be deleted soon. But again I appreciate your help. Cheers, Lantana11 (talk) 03:50, 17 July 2010 (UTC)Lantana11Lantana11 (talk) 03:50, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Hey no problem, glad to have tried to help. All I can say at this point, is that without a means of being able to cite a reliable source of some sort in support of the material; I wouldn't expect it to have legs in the long run. cheers Deconstructhis (talk) 04:23, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

I was able to post this list onto the KCBS-TV page today. Please let me know what else I need to do if any. This list is an internal CBS document that was maintained by an engineer for many many years. When the stations left Columbia Square, I took this list and kept it up to date. Otherwise it would have been trashed by the demolition crew. I was the last technician out of the building and shut down the last of the technical equipment after the final show at Columbia Square. Tom Patterson tom.patterson@cbs.com CBS 1990-present —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tompatterson69 (talkcontribs) 21:15, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Tom, I think that this info is great and it belongs here. It's part of the station's history, and really like a time capsule of TV in Los Angeles. There are some names here that are well known in the TV business in general. Thanks for taking the the trouble of doing this, though the Wikipedia editing process, and as well it should, lays down some strict principles for accuracy and documentation. Any addition is subject to the scrutiny of other editors in the interest of an air-tight factual encyclopedia. Again thanks, Nick Lantana11 (talk) 02:32, 26 August 2010 (UTC)Lantana11Lantana11 (talk) 02:32, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

I have to admit that I am totally new to this Wikipedia contribution thing so please excuse my ignorance. A few years back I was able to contribute a list of KNXT/KCBS-TV General Managers. It was posted for a little while, then it was removed for some reason. I was unable to find it on a recent search. The data for the list is not outdated, the present GM is still accurate information and I had full intent on updating this info when the position changed. I don't understand why the list no longer appears when searched. Can someone please contact me via email and help me understand how to get the list back on. Thank you, Tom.Patterson@cbs.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tompatterson69 (talkcontribs) 01:46, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Adding unreferenced entries of former employees to lists containing BLP material[edit]

Hello, Please do not add unreferenced names as entries to the list of former employees in articles. Including this type of material in articles does not abide by current consensus and its inclusion is strongly discouraged in our policies and guidelines. The rationales are as follows:

  1. WP:NOT tells us, Wikipedia is "not an indiscriminate collection of information." As that section describes, just because something is true, doesn't necessarily mean the info belongs in Wikipedia.
  2. As per WP:V, we cannot include information in Wikipedia that is not verifiable and sourced.
  3. WP:Source list tells us that lists included within articles (including people's names) are subject to the same need for references as any other information in the article.
  4. Per WP:BLP, we have to be especially careful about including un-sourced info about living persons.

If you look at articles about companies in general, you will not find mention of previous employees, except in those cases where the employee was particularly notable. Even then, the information is not presented just as a list of names, but is incorporated into the text itself (for example, when a company's article talks about the policies a previous CEO had, or when they mention the discovery/invention of a former engineer/researcher). If a preexisting article is already in the encyclopedia for the person you want to add to a list, it's generally regarded as sufficient to support their inclusion in list material in another article. cheers Deconstructhis (talk) 01:01, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Recent Edits[edit]

I made a series of minor edits to this article in the last week, which I've just now deleted. I reverted my own edits because they lacked documentation and citations, which apparently this article has been observed to be lacking in general. I would prefer to defer editing this to others who may be more knowledgable about the subject, and who may keep a closer day-to-day eye on it. I concluded that my edits of June 2011 constituted "winging it", which is not what the encyclopedia is meant to do. Sorry for any inconvenience or appearance of "playing" with the article. It was not my intention. Lantana11 (talk) 04:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)Lantana11Lantana11 (talk) 04:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Branson[edit]

Serene Branson redirects here, but it appears that she was pulled from the article—why? I see plenty of coverage an incident with the company. May not be worth more than a sentence, but I imagine there should be something, no? I am no longer watching this page—ping if you'd like a response czar  00:50, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Notable people[edit]

In the words of another editor:

In other words -- Don't add names that do not have an article! Corkythehornetfan | Chat? 03:27, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Paul Magers[edit]

Despite Paul Magers is a KCBS anchor, he does not meet WP:Notabilty guidelines.please refer to the above topic. ACMEWikiNet (talk) 11:01, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Where in the world did you get this misguided belief? 38.88.149.138 (talk) 16:23, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
If he truly is an anchor on the station, then he is notable enough to at least be worth a bare mention, no? El_C 13:27, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Copy-pasting what I said at ANI: Per LISTBIO and SOURCELIST, individual people in a list must only require sourcing that they belong on the list, not that they are independently notable. In particular, the standards for the anchor being included in the list is no greater than the standards for him being included elsewhere in the article in prose (which he is, twice), and the standards for him being included is simply WP:V (a reliable source must say he is an anchor for him to be included). Especially note the sentence in LISTBIO that says On the other hand, a list within an article of past school presidents, headmasters or headmistresses can contain the names of all the people who held this post, not just those who are independently notable. which would seem to apply here. I found a couple good sources that state Magers belongs on the list, so I will add him along with those sources. Pinguinn 🐧 06:34, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
An article for him is created. 23:50, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

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