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Identifying as a Nazi

The sources linked to validate Ye's made up Nazi identification don't share any direct quotes about him saying he identifies as a Nazi, and thus should be deleted along with the false statement, just because someone says something in an article doesn't mean it's more credible than reality, never in the whole Alex Jones interview did Ye say he identified as a Nazi. 5.28.177.100 (talk) 18:15, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Kanye West praises Hitler, calls himself a Nazi in unhinged interview – Muboshgu (talk) 18:21, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Here is the excerpt from the interview posted to Twitter. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 18:31, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Clearly he doesn't mean it literally but instead he's making a point about the accusations labeled against him 141.226.9.91 (talk) 19:52, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Moving the goalposts, I see. First, he didn't say it at all, now he said it but only to "make a point"? It's not up to us to interpret primary sources. We leave that to RS. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 20:04, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

If someone said to me "I am a Nazi", I would take them at their word. (And get away from them as fast as possible.) The reliable sources are taking him at his word. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:15, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

If someone with a very public history of mental illness, including paranoid delusions, who just went through a divorce and a few years ago changed his name because In the Bible it means 'you'. So, I'm you. I'm us. It's us. said Every human being has value that they brought to the table, especially Hitler. then said he liked Hitler and was a Nazi while wearing a skintight black mask talking to Alex Jones and Nick Fuentes I probably wouldn't take their word for it. I would probably look back at their history and hope they get the help they need.

We're likely watching someone have yet another public breakdown, and rushing to categorize them as a Nazi. There is no excuse for his antisemitism, or really anything he's been doing, but to take his words to mean that he identifies as and follows the beliefs of actual Nazis to the point of a defining characteristic for categorization seems amiss. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:18, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Frankly, all of this is beside the point. West's mental health issues are documented in the article, and I trust readers to draw their own conclusions about the gravity of his words. The mere fact that West uttered the words "I'm a Nazi" and the resulting coverage thereof makes this notable. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 01:09, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm speaking more towards the categorization that had been added. Inclusion in the article clearly due with the amount of coverage it's garnered, but I'm less sure about WP:CATDEF. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:18, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

I totally agree with you there, his identification as a Nazi is clearly not (yet) a defining characteristic of his per WP:COPDEF. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 01:21, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

May I ask how this doesn't meet the code of defining trait, but all his other political affiliations do? He's got several political categorizations, and his Neo-Nazism isn't a one-off thing. It isn't like he made a poor choice comment and then said nothing else of relevance on the subject, he's repeatedly spouted antisemitic talking points and called himself a Nazi. In the Alex Jones interview, Jones repeatedly tried to get him to not identify as a Nazi, and then kept insisting on it. Docktuh (talk) 04:14, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

I hope I am allowed to say this, but I totally agree with User:ScottishFinnishRadish. 47.232.88.19 (talk) 16:17, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, that’s exactly what it seems like to me. “I’m a Nazi, now what?” Is 100x more likely to be him making a point than it is a declaration of any kind. Sethafterdark (talk) 05:31, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

He's very obviously cut off in that clip. I don't know if he's actually self-identified as a Nazi elsewhere, and he certainly ticks most of the boxes for being labelled a neo-Nazi, but this isn't a self-identification. It hurts the trustworthiness of Wikipedia to mention it as such. -- Antondimak (talk) 20:41, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

We're not supporting the claim with that little snippet in the article. The editor asked for a direct quote from the interview, and I gave it to them. Times of Israel and Vanity Fair, both reputable publications, are used to support the claim in the article. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 20:53, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

He literally said on Alex Jones' show "I am a Nazi". And you say this isn't a self-identification and think that our "trustworthiness" is harmed by including that he literally said "I am a Nazi"? Wikipedia reflects the reliable sources that note that he went on Alex Jones' show and said "I am a Nazi". – Muboshgu (talk) 21:00, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

"unhinged" is a personal opinion, not fact. Don't put opinions on wikipedia.

311 needs correcting. It's the FIFTH commandment, not the 6th. 98.123.126.45 (talk) 05:45, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@Throast: what more could WP possibly want for him to be labelled a bona fide Nazi sympathizer? Does he have to be caught in the act doing the Nazi salute, or make a song humanizing Hitler as a misunderstood good guy with a temper tantrum like himself? I don't get it; reliable sources agree that he made those remark off his own accord. Quite frankly, this attempt in finding nuance behind his nasty remarks belongs to social media forums. I agree with Muboshgu. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 12:22, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Nineteen Ninety-Four guy, I didn't comment on the fact that he cannot be labeled as a Nazi, I'm commenting on categorization. In order for a person to be categorized as a Nazi on Wikipedia, their Nazism has to be a defining characteristic (WP:COPDEF). That's a pretty high standard, and I don't think it's met (yet) in this case. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 12:26, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Reverted the recent addition of the category American neo-Nazi's on that basis. nableezy - 05:53, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Also, which source exactly says Kanye identified as a Nazi? I see the Times of Israel says that, but I cant see any other sources doing so, and the closest thing I can find to a transcript here doesnt seem to have him saying that. It certainly has him praising Hitler and veering in to Holocaust denial, but where does he actually "identify as a Nazi"? Surely there is something more than a twitter video from an unverified account with 1033 followers to prove that he said this? nableezy - 05:59, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

If nobody has anything better than the single Times of Israel piece that makes a claim that no other source makes about an extremely widely covered interview then I am going to remove the identified as a Nazi bit. That is an extraordinary claim, this is a BLP, and that requires extraordinary sourcing. nableezy - 16:12, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

The Newsweek article obviously isn't a full transcript, so I'm not sure what's the relevance there. The "I'm a Nazi" quote even made the headline in this Vanity Fair article. I wouldn't call it an extraordinary claim because it's not really a claim in the first place. It's reporting on his own words; no opinion or analysis added.

I agree with your removal of the category per my reasons above. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 16:06, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

I think the Nazi label should be removed as he only said it once during an interview to prove a point rather than a consistent thing he has identified himself as. He is an African American male for gods sake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.64.38 (talk) 00:09, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

To prove what point? The only point I think he proved is that he self-identified as a Nazi. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:01, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

I think the problem here is not that it's not true, just that it's misleading to readers who are trying to find out about Kanye West. To read "later publicly praised Adolf Hitler... and identified as a Nazi" in the lead suggests he's known for being a Nazi-activist, despite this being a lone comment in a flippant context (Kanye states in the interview he's making a point nothing would ultimately happen to him if he courts controversy). Soapwort (talk) 00:31, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

I think people are reading into it too much. Publicly identifying as a Nazi only means as much; I wouldn't infer from that sentence alone that he's "known for being a Nazi activist". You seem to suggest that him "flippantly" proclaiming to be a Nazi to "make a point" takes away from said proclamation. It's not like the statement was made in isolation. We know that he's sympathized with Hitler for years. We know that he's associated himself with white supremacists and neo-Nazi sympathizers. He's denied the holocaust. He started and led an antisemitic hate campaign. Doesn't seem that far-fetched in context, and the RS we cite seem to agree. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 01:39, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

You seem to suggest that him "flippantly" proclaiming to be a Nazi to "make a point" takes away from said proclamation.

@Throast: Why the scare quotes? This is just what he's said.

It's not like the statement was made in isolation. We know that he's sympathized with Hitler for years. We know that he's associated himself with white supremacists and neo-Nazi sympathizers.

Yup, which is why Alex Jones states the media is calling him a Nazi, and prompts him to make the flippant remark doubling down. Kanye has made controversial comments like these constantly (his career was launched this way) and is famously bipolar. Nietzsche notably went insane at the end of his life, is it worth putting in his lead he claimed to be Dionysus?

I'm not saying this particular controversy about anti-semitism isn't notable, it is and should be included in the lead (particularly the holocaust denial, which he's made repeated sincere comments about). However, giving the reader the impression he claimed to sincerely be a neo-Nazi to follow the clickbait wording of references here is misleading. Soapwort (talk) 08:32, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

I've edited the page to remove the these comments specifically (I think they can be included under "a series of antisemitic statements") but included the holocaust denial since it's been a repeated notable controversy. Ping me and let me know what you think. Soapwort (talk) 08:51, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Soapwort, I did not use scare quotes, I quoted your previous comment. I'm obviously opposed to the changes you made per my comments in this thread. I think I've laid out my stance very clearly. I have nothing more to add. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 13:27, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

I reverted the edit. Kanye praised Hitler. We all heard him do it. Sources say he did it. I see no reason to remove it. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:39, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

And recently he made a statement that he 'likes Jewish people again' after watching 21 Jump Street. Should we include this? I don't think we should, because it's WP:UNDUE for the lead... Soapwort (talk) 00:46, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

A single statement, largely regarded as insincere, doe snot measure up to the piles of sources and examples of his antisemitism. Zaathras (talk) 00:51, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Firstly, your claim that it's largely regarded as insincere is not backed up by sources. Secondly, why is that particular claim undue but not the "praised Hitler and identified as a Nazi" comment which Kanye himself implies are insincere? Once again, I proposed moving these two comments out of the lead into the article and keeping the mention of antisemitic/holocaust denial controversy. Not every strange comment Kanye makes is worth including in the lead. Soapwort (talk) 06:34, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

As you have been opposed by several editors, it would be unwise of you to choose a path of edit-warring to get your way. Zaathras (talk) 04:22, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Considering there are several editors on both side of the issue and you're reverting edits without addressing the possible violation of of several policies (WP:UNDUE, WP:NOTNEWS, borderline WP:BLP issues) on the talk page, I'm not particularly worried about your vague threat. Soapwort (talk) 04:46, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

There is one; you. The onus is on you to gain consensus, so until then it remains as-is. Zaathras (talk) 21:34, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Did you read what you just linked? The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content. Soapwort (talk) 23:15, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Summary/lead suggestion

To be clear, I'm a new user on here (and I'm analyzing this article for an assignment). My largest issue is with the balance of content in the top summary. I believe that one of the previous users here had a similar suggestion, but mine is quite different. Most of the top summary is focused almost entirely on Kanye's musical career and awards, with the last 30% or so briefly mentioning his work in fashion design and his controversial views. I would suggest reworking it to remove some of the borderline unnecessary content (e.g., the list of some of his awards) and replace it with slightly more context regarding his other professional endeavors and personal views. JSilverhand117 (talk) 05:05, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 20 September 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved per snowball clause . (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks 16:41, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

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Kanye West → Ye (Artist) – I am watching ABC Nightline right now and they are exclusively referring to him as Ye. Wikipedia claims to go by reliable sources, this should be no exception! I will dispute this if anyone closes this prematurely again. Rusf10 (talk) 05:04, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose: It's not my impression that he's now primarily known as "Ye" over "Kanye West". From what I've read in RS, he's been referred to by both names about equally ever since his name change, hence "Kanye West" is still clearly dominant in sources overall. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 09:36, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose again because "Kanye West" remains his WP:COMMONNAME, in spite of what they may have called him on Nightline. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:54, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
  • How does nightline not matter? They refer to him as "Ye (formally known as Kayne West)" and then exclusively as "Ye" after that. Former Ye employee speaks out about alleged dangerous working environment.--Rusf10 (talk) 20:21, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

    I didn't say Nightline doesn't matter. I'm saying every other reliable source does, too. I find it odd that you base a RM request on what you saw on TV one time, rather than following this site's policies. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:27, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

  • NBC News, USA Today, The Hill, Bloomberg, I could keep going. He legally changed his name, the media is just recognizing that fact.--Rusf10 (talk) 04:04, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

    CNBC, Reuters, CNN, Fortune, and I could keep going with the sources that identify him primarily as Kanye, which is still his COMMONNAME. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:59, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Not WP:COMMONNAME amongst the majority of people. Nor would I expect it to be given the generic nature of saying "Ye" vs. "Kanye". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:28, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose I just put 'Kanye West' into Google, and got a load of news hits to articles written in the last couple of days that refer to him as 'Kanye West'. I then put 'Ye' into Google, and got a load of news hits to articles written in the last couple of days that refer to him as 'Kanye West'. From a cursory examination, this still seems to be what almost everyone is calling him. Girth Summit _(blether) 15:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
  • The man also legally changed his name. Bruce Jenner still gets more hits on Google than Caitlyn Jenner.--Rusf10 (talk) 04:04, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

    I'm talking about stuff written in the last couple of days. I don't know who Bruce/Caitlin Jenner is, but assuming they changed their name some time ago, are most reliable sources still using the old name in new articles? Girth Summit _(blether) 08:39, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

    Girth Summit, Caitlin Jenner is transgender, so using her old name is a deadnaming issue and not relevant to this discussion. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:00, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

    I sort of inferred that from the context; I was wondering whether, as with this case, most recently written sources genuinely are still using her old name. I would have thought it more likely that most recent sources would use her new name, and that the uses of her old name would mostly be historic. That is certainly not the case here, when most sources, new and old alike, continue to use 'Kanya West'. Girth Summit _(blether) 15:49, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

    That is correct, because changed names of trans people are not the same situation as changed names of non-trans people. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:22, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment No comment on the name itself, but just to clarify, the disambiguator should not be capitalized per WP:NCDAB, and the best choice of disambiguator would seem to be Ye (rapper) per WP:MUSICDAB. Mdewman6 (talk) 16:23, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. ItsMario97 (talk) 00:18, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Rreagan007 (talk) 03:20, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose WP:COMMONNAME. JeffSpaceman (talk) 14:15, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 September 2023

I want to edit the Kanye West page 2A02:8084:D20:3B80:59F8:B81C:210D:E134 (talk) 16:00, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Please explain what you plan to edit into the page, first.$chnauzer 16:23, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 October 2023

The addition of Kanye's wife, Bianca Censori to the spouse's list. Recent new reports confirm their marriage on Dec. 20, 2022. Tyler Shasteen (talk) 20:48, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:11, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Also, per WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE, the information needs to be worked into prose before it's added to the infobox. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 21:51, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Marriage to Censori

To anyone who intends to add these recent news to the personal life section, please consider that sources basing their reporting on this Daily Mail exclusive (like The Independent or news.com.au) are not reliable because The Daily Mail is deprecated. Unless RS independently confirm the marriage (as opposed to relying on the Daily Mail article), this shouldn't be included. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 21:01, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. Don't believe what's reported by the WP:DAILYMAIL. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:35, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 October 2023

2600:4040:2FED:8E00:22D6:A410:DEB8:17D0 (talk) 04:30, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Can you add Bianca Censori as Ye's wife. It's been officially confirmed

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 04:40, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 October 2023

You forgot about him running for president. 107.77.236.141 (talk) 15:10, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: See Kanye West#Presidential campaigns. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:14, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 October 2023

I wish to add information about Kanye's second marriage to biography and #Personal_life. MusicFan05 (talk) 14:48, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:12, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Shorten the lead

No lede should be this long. Torbslifre (talk) 20:47, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

What do you suggest removing? – Muboshgu (talk) 21:34, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Everything about his road to glory and musical history shouldn’t have to be there Torbslifre (talk) 10:30, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Another editor proposed the same in an earlier thread. I'll go ahead and remove everything starting at Born in Atlanta.... If editors want to re-include anything, it should be discussed here per WP:ONUS. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 13:50, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Taking out the album names was unwarranted, especially when there's text saying "Six of West's albums were included on Rolling Stone's 2020 500 Greatest Albums of All Time list". How are readers supposed to know which ones this refers to? Furthermore, it looks incomplete without exploring his musical career beyond accolades/rankings. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 21:40, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

What do you propose adding? I'm sure we can agree that his complete discography does not belong in the lead. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 20:28, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

In terms of general lead section standards I think it's necessary to have a background/history paragraph or two added, only problem is the length of course.

Here's my attempted overview. He's been a producer since 1996, gained recognition with Roc-A-Fella Records, and released his debut album, The College Dropout, in 2004, and founded the label GOOD Music afterwards. He gained further popularity and acclaim with subsequent albums, especially My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy and Yeezus, and did collaborations with Jay-Z and Kid Cudi with Watch the Throne and Kids See Ghosts respectively. Reading the last version of the article before the paragraph removal, his evolving musical styles should definitely be noted, something along the lines of "initially exploring sampled old-school soul music before diversifying with musical elements from orchestras, to synthesizers and autotune, to Christian and gospel music." Specific albums in that sentence probably don't need to be noted.

As for the Rolling Stone sentence change "Six" to "Several" in "Six of West's albums", so there shouldn't be a forced mention or something. Carlinal (talk) 18:28, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

I prefer this over what was there before. Is this emphasis on those three albums (especially...) supported by the body? If not, we'd need a separate citation. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 18:33, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

TCD, MBDTF and Yeezus? I don't think the former has to be cited (it's his debut after all), and you can do what you want with the latter two. Since West's career center is in music, at least three solo albums should be listed, but at this point it's outside of my ability. I don't know this article as much as you guys, but I hope my overview provides a template. Carlinal (talk) 18:46, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Vague terms like "several" are best avoided, especially when more specific counts can be provided. I minimally would recommend adding back The College Dropout along with the other five that made the "500 Greatest Albums of All Time" count plus the Watch the Throne and Kids See Ghosts albums to show how his musical endeavors haven't just been solo efforts. We probably wouldn't have to emphasize sales/chart details for him unless they were unprecedented achievements. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 22:31, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. Would you be willing to write up a draft? Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 14:26, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Just did so with Draft:Kanye West lead. Let me know your thoughts, and perhaps it could be reworked. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 23:23, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Looks great to me. A clear improvement over the current version. Not sure if we need to include the "other awards", i.e. the last sentence in the first paragraph, but I don't feel strongly either way. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 23:35, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

I now understand that at this point he's done so much beyond music that some details had to be left out for the sake of a balanced scope. At least his solo albums are listed. My only disagreement is over the exclusion of GOOD Music but otherwise this is great! Carlinal (talk) 10:41, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 October 2023

add ¥$ to collab albums TheBirthdayIsALie (talk) 00:36, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 03:46, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

It has not been released yet; Donda got delayed by a year and a half when the original date was announced. Pillow da Don (talk) 03:01, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Cultural impact of Kanye West?

I believe Kanye West is due for a "Cultural impact" article in the same vein as other artists like Beyoncé and Taylor Swift. While browsing through Google Scholar out of curiosity, I found multiple scholarly articles that have analyzed Kanye West's influence as an artist and a cultural figure - including a book aptly titled "The Cultural Impact of Kanye West". I haven't had time to write up a draft yet, but I'd imagine an article of this topic would highlight him both as a prominent cultural icon of the 21st century and one of the most polarizing figures in popular culture - in line with NPOV. It would have sections like his awards and achievements (self-explanatory), analysis (as in, scholarly and journalistic opinions both of his musical/lyrical themes and his views/controversial opinions*), references in popular culture (like the infamous South Park episode; and of course keeping in mind WP:NOT and MOS:TRIVIA), impact on the fashion industry, and just overall more specific influence on artists both inside and outside of rap. Here are 9 other sources below that could start us off.

1. "Can't Tell Me Nothing": Symbolic Violence, Education, and Kanye West
2. The Innocent and the Runaway: Kanye West, Taylor Swift, and the Cultural Politics of Racial Melodrama
3. The Routledge Research Companion to Popular Music and Gender
4. Resist! Protest Media and Popular Culture in the Brexit-Trump Era
5. "Wake Up, Mr. West" Kanye West and the Double Consciousness of Black Celebrity
6. Pessimistic Themes in Kanye West's Necrophobic Aesthetic
7. Kanye and Adidas: Money, Misconduct and the Price of Appeasement (NY Times)
8. As Coachella approaches, Kanye West's legacy hangs by a thread (LA Times)
9. How Ye Changed Music (Complex)

I'd understand if they're a lot to read, but even the first two sources alone in conjunction with the book proves this topic easily passes SIGCOV and GNG, and even NPOV/DUE. If someone is willing to make a draft with these sources, I'd help edit it later depending on if I have time. Keep in mind there are plenty more sources that definitely exist.

*Speaking of which, the Views of Kanye West page has quite sparse commentary on journalists and scholars' perspectives on his views - whether they're misinformed and/or justified. Most of it just seems kind of news-like. Perhaps this article could also add more analysis that the Views article lacks. PantheonRadiance (talk) 08:30, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Y Support for an article, the existence of the above books I think are valid secondary sources and would prove that the existence of the article would not be OR. But be cautious Perhaps this article could also add more analysis that the Views article lacks all work must be cited and not WP:OR. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish•growths)} 20:04, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh yes of course; I meant to imply that the analysis of Kanye West's views would be reliably sourced as well, thank you :)

But regardless of whether to include it in the Views article or the potential Impact article, there needs to be some inclusion of analysis beyond just breaking news. PantheonRadiance (talk) 01:45, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Birth Name

Kanye Omari West better known as Kanye West is redundant.

Other celebrities who use their real names are not credited by their full names before a shortened version on Wikipedia, so why Kanye?

yes, I know his new name is "Ye" but that doesn't matter, it's not like his birth name's middle name being omitted changes anything

4TheLuvOfFax (talk) 00:02, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

This is kind of a unique situation. His legal name differs from his birth name, and neither are his stage name or WP:COMMONNAME. "Kanye West", which is his COMMONNAME, is not the same as "Kanye Omari West", his birth name. I don't see an issue with how it's written now. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs)

His birth and common name are literally the same thing aside from the middle name, most celebrities don't go by their middle names publicly anyways. 4TheLuvOfFax (talk) 16:04, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

That's assuming that the reader already knows that his COMMONNAME doesn't include his middle name. We shouldn't make such assumptions. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 17:05, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

That's... ok..

So basically we're assuming readers are not smart enough to realize "CLEARLY this is Kanye West... but no, we need to specify that he went by Kanye West JUST IN CASE some people forget this is Kanye West."4TheLuvOfFax (talk) 23:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

WP:RKN: Wikipedia's purpose [...] exists to educate people that know nothing about a certain subject.. Imagine a person who's never heard of Kanye West stumbling upon this article. Wikipedia aims to educate that person. That's why I think it's important to emphasize his COMMONNAME in the lead. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 00:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

i-- ok

this is getting redundant so i'll just leave it alone 4TheLuvOfFax (talk) 19:02, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 November 2023

Kanye announced that he wouldn't campaign in 2024 a few months ago. 2603:9000:7300:3F83:7D64:2847:30EB:DAF7 (talk) 16:01, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 17:24, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 November 2023

Change the "Member of" part to also include "¥$", a new group he formed with fellow American music artist Ty Dolla $ign on their self-titled album "¥$". 2001:8F8:192F:35B4:6D57:FC6A:80A:109F (talk) 16:38, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: This should be worked into the article body, where it has to be reliably sourced, before it is added to the infobox. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 18:49, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Influence of Ye on modern music, fashion

Ye's widely claimed to be one of the the most influential artist of the 21st century, yet there's no lead indicating so. PanokWarszawa (talk) 11:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

This has been amply discussed. WP:EXCEPTIONAL claims require exceptional sourcing, especially when featured in the lead section. Two sources under Kanye West#Musical impact currently support the claim that he is among the most "critically acclaimed" popular music artists (much more specific than artists generally). Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 13:11, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Member of

Under Kanye's member of section, his new group ¥$ needs to be added Sickpanda42 (talk) 17:27, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

See edit request from November 25. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 18:07, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 December 2023

Shahynazadnan (talk) 08:06, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Kayne West has impacted hip hop culture. He broke the stereotype that rap isn't just about rappers rapping about crimes, women, money, and drugs. He broke the stereotype that rappers aren't just gangsters.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 08:11, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 December 2023

The listening party for Ty and Ye's collaborative album never happened. Ty Dolla $ign posted the tracklist for he and Ye's collaborative album on his Instagram on December 8th. (source: https://www.billboard.com/music/rb-hip-hop/ty-dolla-sign-kanye-west-joint-album-tracklist-1235547798/) 2603:9000:7300:3F83:E52E:BAA:43AA:524E (talk) 21:48, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 18:10, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Ye

@Muboshgu:, this person has had a court-ordered legal name change to "Ye". Any references to a person named "Kanye West" should only be from quotations, article titles, or as a historical explanation of the change from their birth name. The person formerly named "Kanye West" no longer exists. Nicole Sharp (talk) 18:26, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

We are Wikipedia, we are not a court of law. We have had plenty of discussions about the name on this talk page, including #Requested move 20 September 2023 which was a WP:SNOW close. We won't change the name on the page as you did, unless consensus here supports it. To date, it has not. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:31, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 December 2023

add ¥$ to his 'Member of' section. Txmb (talk) 01:09, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: The infobox should not supplant information in the article body, MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE. There is no mention in the article body of them having formed a new hip hop duo. They've collaborated on a single album; that seems to be the extent of it. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 17:18, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 October 2023

Request to Add "and legacy" to the title of "musical impact" section Munknjet1234 (talk) 04:02, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Comment - I actually prepared a similar post a few days ago about this topic but I didn't get a chance until now. See response below. PantheonRadiance (talk) 08:30, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

We typically speak of legacies in terms of an artist's whole body of work or life. Considering that West is neither dead nor done with music, there is no legacy to speak of yet. That's the reason the legacy section was renamed a few months back (don't feel like digging it up in the edit history right now). Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 20:28, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

But Other artists that are still currently alive and making music (ie: Taylor Swift) have legacy sections? Idk..... Munknjet1234 (talk) 05:51, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

WP:OTHERCONTENT. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 11:03, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 December 2023

Please update the "Spouse" section and add that Kanye West is married to Bianca Censori since 2022 https://pagesix.com/2023/10/06/kanye-west-and-wife-bianca-censori-are-legally-married-after-all/ DavidePerretta (talk) 15:30, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: See Talk:Kanye West#Marriage to Censori. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 22:00, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Yews. News

Kanye Recently launced Yews.News a news page. Request to add this to "Business Ventures"

https://www.yews.news/home https://hiphopdx.com/news/kanye-west-yews-platform-vultures https://hypebeast.com/2023/12/kanye-west-launches-yews-platform-vultures https://www.audacy.com/y98/news/kanye-west-has-launched-his-own-news-platform-yews Munknjet1234 (talk) 05:53, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

WP:NOTNEWS applies in my opinion. Seems like a one-off marketing ploy for his upcoming album. No encyclopedic relevance. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 22:04, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

It should require better sourcing than that to be added. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:35, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

one collumn is bothering me

There is blank collumn above his signature. Why is it here? bær (talk) 11:55, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 December 2023

Add information regarding the decision to not release the album Vultures on December 15th as well as the instagram live rant that went on after the rave on the same day. Also include how the release date was supposedly moved to new years day of 2023. Sheiny77 (talk) 16:09, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:17, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Add nicknames: “Nue Kanye, Silly Boy, Most Controversial Rapper Of All Time.”

More info Ieditstuffqpjsh (talk) 07:19, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 09:39, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 December 2023

Kanye dead on 27 of December 2023 2605:B100:D11:DF9C:F03B:F130:74AD:BE4 (talk) 06:12, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. 💜  melecie  talk - 06:27, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 December 2023

Kanye is married to Bianca Censori from 2023 82.46.69.54 (talk) 20:27, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:50, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

It might be time to create Talk:Kanye West/FAQ. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:51, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 January 2024

Donda 2 is a studio album, not a demo. 2601:646:A201:1240:6C96:A2CD:16EE:D187 (talk) 05:29, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: I'm not exactly sure what constitutes a studio album, but the album being available only through a discontinued stem player surely counters that claim. Are you aware of any reliable sources calling it a "studio album"? Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 12:07, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 January 2024

He's married to Bianca Censori. Tronfa (talk) 03:58, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:01, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Ye's new spouse.

In December 2022, Ye was legally and officially wed to Bianca Censori, so should we not update his spouses to say Bianca Censori? Add Bianca Censori to current spouse list. Reinkanyeted (talk) 13:45, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

No reliable source has verified the report by the Daily Mail, which itself is unreliable. See Talk:Kanye West/Archive 15#Marriage to Censori. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 17:52, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

It isn't just Daily Mail reporting this, it has been multiple news outlets, search engines, and even Ye himself stating that the marriage is legal and valid. At least it is in the eyes of the court. Reinkanyeted (talk) 18:08, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Please list a reliable source that has independently verified the marriage. The ones I've seen merely cite this Daily Mail exclusive. The Daily Mail is deprecated, see WP:DAILYMAIL. West himself is not a reliable source in this case, see WP:ABOUTSELF. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 18:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Genres

Genres:

• Progressive rap
• pop
• art pop
• gospel

Cited can these be the genres? As hip hop is a main genre consisting of various genres? BigWarren5 (talk) 12:28, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Hip hop contains various genres. BigWarren5 (talk) 13:28, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

But so does pop. I think we should just go with what reliable sources say. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 20:22, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes but also include pop rap?

• Hip hop
• progressive rap
• pop
• art pop
• gospel
• pop rap

BigWarren5 (talk) 12:11, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 February 2024

I want to edit 2605:B100:507:89BF:28DF:FABD:A073:F8D9 (talk) 00:37, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:39, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 February 2024

Kanye and Ty Dolla Sign's supergroup will be headlining Rolling Loud on Thursday night, announced 2/15/24. Tronfa (talk) 21:20, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 01:58, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 February 2024

Requesting to add Kanye Wests second marriage to Bianca Censori to page, as it was deemed an official marriage starting in December of 2022. 2600:100A:B039:D6B2:BC51:EFD8:D475:DC2B (talk) 13:08, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 14:10, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Apology to the Jewish community

Recently, Kanye West has apologized to the actions that he did in late 2022, however this maybe a stunt for his upcoming album BavKraft (talk) 09:43, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Regardless of sincerity and questionable timing, the fact that he apologized is probably worth including looking at the amount of coverage it's been getting. Maybe add a sentence at the end of the views section? Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 14:07, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Maybe, Although i feel like he still holds some his "former" views. BavKraft (talk) 15:49, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Regardless if you believe his views have changed or not he did apologize thus it is relevant to put it there. 2604:3D08:747B:4900:A150:360A:2B18:6ADF (talk) 20:36, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

this is an encyclopaedia though (with instructions) he did apologise - we shouldn’t be omitting fact (regardless of sincerity of which we do not know - doesn’t matter if we doubt it) - as it is censorship Dwardyboy (talk) 22:28, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Apology to the Jewish community written in Hebrew seems crucial to be added Source: https://apnews.com/article/ye-kanye-antisemitism-apology-40450fa8868c660d954b672d5dfbcc3a 2601:14E:80:46D0:4D0B:6A3C:BDD:62D8 (talk) 06:55, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

I've added a sentence to the views section. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 10:16, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Lift yourself description

The single Lift Yourself is mentioned in the article one, saying "Shortly thereafter, West released the non-album singles "Lift Yourself", a "strange, gibberish track" featuring nonsensical lyrics." This description seems a little biased, and it also fails to include the fact that this song is intended to be a Drake diss track. Polyfix (talk) 00:14, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

I agree, it's a subjective statement and it's unattributed. I've removed it. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 01:46, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 March 2024

Y3 was debunked as a rumor by Kanye West himself on Instagram. Tronfa (talk) 00:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Also please note that instagram is not considered a reliable source on wikipedia. Jamedeus (talk) 00:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Remove the information about Y3 from the Wikipedia page, Kanye addressed the rumors himself on his own Instagram page and debunked them, https://www.instagram.com/according2hiphop/p/C38nBPOyIVA/. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tronfa (talk • contribs) 01:38, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 March 2024

Y3 is not a real album. This was confirmed by Kanye himself. All mentions of this supposed album should be removed. https://www.instagram.com/p/C3-8ZqiOWZy/?img_index=1 JamesEdwardJohnson (talk) 01:47, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. We need an independent reliable source. Mokadoshi (talk) 22:57, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 March 2024

Lorenzo223838388 (talk) 14:17, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I believe that Kanye west is one of the greatest rappers of all time and saying the he is not even top 5 is unbelievable to me and many other amazing people he is yezzus ye Mr west is the greatest rapper he should be praised and honored by his greatness that he even showed up to this fake shit so go ahead go nuts, quoted by Kanye he is bound 2 be on that list

 Not done: This edit will raise POV and neutrality issues, so I cannot implement it. Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 15:15, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 March 2024

173.48.213.229 (talk) 02:34, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I would like to edit this so I can add onto some thing that people don't know a lot about Kanye

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you. Jamedeus (talk) 02:56, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 March 2024 (2)

Hello, I would like to edit to correct grammar, Spelling, and most importantly facts! I want people to not only understand due to the punctuation, I want them to see the correct facts. TheFactLover (talk) 02:40, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you. Jamedeus (talk) 02:57, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Removal of Y3 from the Vultures and Y3 section

It has been confirmed by Ye that there will not be Y3 and it should be removed. If I could add a photo then it would be more clear. Penaltyfarmer (talk) 05:58, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Has he actually disputed that it was ever going to be made or has he just stopped making it? Are there reliable independent sources for these claims? Wholesale removal of any mention of the album is unlikely since it's been covered a great deal already. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 08:47, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Kanye confirmed in DMs from Yefanatics that "This is fake news...Ain't no album called Y3" Penaltyfarmer (talk) 20:11, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Denying the holocaust

Good day to you. Thank you for existing. I read on this article second paragraph that Kanye West has mentioned denying the holocaust. Kanye has said many things but this isn't one of them. Please can you take this off as only facts should exist. One love 51.179.170.20 (talk) 14:03, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Citations exist for a reason. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 14:09, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

This claim has not citation. Remove this slanderous nonsense. 2603:7081:7600:A73D:1470:DE2E:206F:D7A3 (talk) 21:17, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

In Kanye West#Views, it is cited with this. We can expand it to note that he specifically said "He had a really cool outfit and he was a really good architect ... and he didn't kill 6 million Jews."[1] – Muboshgu (talk) 21:32, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 March 2024

Hey can I blank the fucking page please Zoey 101 fan 3 (talk) 02:22, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

No. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 02:43, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Renaming Y3 references to "upcoming album"

Because Ye said that the album won't be called Y3, the name should be removed and replaced with "upcoming album" as a placeholder for now. Dudeguy24 (talk) 22:41, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 March 2024

Due to being unrelated, and probably human error, I request that you please make the following change to the link in the third paragraph of the article:

−

[[Race and ethnicity in the United States census|race]]

+

[[Race and ethnicity in the United States|race]]

ChocolateAvian (talk) 23:24, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done M.Bitton (talk) 02:44, 24 March 2024 (UTC)