Talk:Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan

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Photo?[edit]

Can we get a photo of the man for this article please? ScienceApe (talk) 02:51, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mentioned at White House Iftar dinner[edit]

... by the President on 01-09-09, at which his mother attended.[1] May not be relevant to the article per se, but just for the historical record. -- Kendrick7talk 05:11, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnicity/Ancestry[edit]

The article makes no mention of his ancestry/ethnicity. Is there any information out there on this? Since as we all know, Islam is a religion, not an ethnicity or country.--TM 23:36, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Ethnic origins[edit]

I removed Category:American people of Pakistani descent, which was unsourced, and replaced it with Category:American people of Trinidad and Tobago descent based on this, this and this. Guettarda (talk) 03:24, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Parents' nationality[edit]

@CAVincent: Can you explain why Indo-Trinidadian is better? As the person re-instating the change made by the IP, the onus is really on you to support it. My arguments against it are

  • While I can find plenty of sources that support the fact that Khan's parents come from TT, and plenty that speak of them as Muslim, I can't find any that describe them as Indo-Trinidadian. I can look at them, look at their surname, and guess that they are. In fact, based on "Sultan Khan" I can guess which families they might be related to. I could even infer it from this article by his cousin. But I can't prove it. My knowledge is unverifiable, and thus fails WP:V.
  • It's not a good idea to focus on ethnicity over nationality. Your national origin, your citizenship - they are verifiable facts. Ethnicity is more complicated, since it involves a mixture of self- and community-identification.
  • Finally, ask yourself in which context you'd change an article that mentions someone's "American-born parents" to "Euro-American parents"? Guettarda (talk) 14:38, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, thank you for taking the time to explain your reasoning. Partly, I made the reinstatement because I thought it was worth discussing further. (Not accusing you of this at all, but I feel like sometimes positive edits get reverted without much consideration largely because they are made by IPs rather than registered users.) Also, I considered the IP's edit (which seemed to me to still incorporate the national origin of Khan's parents, as well as their ethnicity, though it could have been made clearer) to be better / interesting for highlighting the multi-ethnic tapestries of both the US and TT. Perhaps echoing Colin Powell's comments on religion, ethnicity is important here precisely because it is unimportant (if that makes sense). If I have a prejudice here, it's in celebrating multi-ethnic cultures, not in seeking to define everyone by ethnicity. But in any event, if the change fails on verifiability, your are of course right that we leave it out. Thanks again. CAVincent (talk) 06:04, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If I had a source, I'd consider something like His parents are immigrants from [[Trinidad and Tobago]] of [[Indo-Trinidadian|Indian descent]] or something of the sort. Recognising ethnicity within nationality is (IMO) a good thing. Replacing nationality with ethnicity, on the other hand, can be problematic.
It's more problematic in this particular context, because for a long time the Trinidadianness of Indo-Trinis was questioned; "Indo-Trinidadian" is a declaration that we're not "East Indians", we're not foreign interlopers. But that same rejection is the source of a certain tendency to put ethnicity above nationality. It's better to avoid potential political undertones. Guettarda (talk) 15:22, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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