Talk:Kelly Rowland discography/Archive 1

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Daylight chart position

Daylight has had plenty of time to chart. Which means if it doesn't have a chart position, all those TBA will turn into a -. Lateupdate26 (talk) 15:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, Daylights on hit #11 on the Hot Dance Club Play for 7 weeks. [1] Lateupdate26 (talk) 15:20, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Singles: Number one, top ten, and top forty songs inclusion

I do not understand the continual removal of Kelly Rowland's count of number one songs, top ten songs, and top forty songs from her singles chart table. Many contemporary artists have these counts included on their singles chart, and unless a viable reason for not including these counts is provided, I will continue to reinsert them upon their removal. Please explain the reason for removing the song counts if there is a legitimate reason for them not to be included. TJ 21:28, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

with some artists then this section at the bottom is a notable inclusion because they have accumulated lots of chart success over a longer period of time. at the moment all of the numbers are under ten so personally i dont think that it is necessary at the moment. in the future yes, but at the moment no. Mister sparky (talk) 18:16, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Tours

If a list of concert tours does not belong on an artist's discography page, where would it belong? The tours relate to the artists music, their discography, as the sole purpose of concert tours are to promote an artist's music. If a list of concert tours does not belong on the discography page can you direct me, as well as everyone else for future reference, to Wikipedia mandate that says such information does not belong here? TJ 21:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Put it on the main page. A tour is not part of an artist's discography - Noboyo

I did not see any mention of concert tours being irrelevant to an artist's discography in the link you provided. Instead, I did my own search of both contemporary pop artists as well as established pop artists' discographies. While a lot of Rowland's contemporary pop artists do have their concert tours listed on their discography pages (such as Beyoncé, Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, Hilary Duff, and Chris Brown), the more established artists do not have their concert tours listed on their discography pages (such as Madonna, Whitney Houston, and Mariah Carey). I went ahead and added Kelly Rowland's list of concert tours to her main page. I want to look into this further and determine whether or not listing concert tours on an artist's discography is bad form or not. If you decide to remove the list of tours again I won't re-add them until I get a more definitive answer on the subject. TJ 09:35, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Singles table

hey guys, can i make a suggestion to split the singles table? with most of the FA status discographies they have the singles table split into different ones. ie lead artist, featured artist, other etc. just makes it look tidier. plus if we wanna promote this articles to FA status then it would definitely help trying to emulate other FA articles. what do people think? :) Mister sparky (talk) 18:19, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Discography

You are I begged not to reduce the voice on Kelly Rowland, that must understand 2 albums, 1 ep, 36 singles (I included both the commercial ones and the promotional ones), the cinema career, televesiva and philanthropic. Reduce the voice, partially bringing only the information would not be worthy of an encyclopedia! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.216.13.147 (talk) 10:07, April 30, 2010

Everywhere you go is Rowland featuring Africa Unite.. and not Africa united featuring Rowland. There is an other single: Shake Them Haters Off —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.216.22.188 (talk) 16:23, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Certification

Ms Kelly was gold in UK —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.117.206.241 (talk) 16:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Not according to the British Phonographic Industry (BPI) who issue them. --Lil-unique1 (talk) 19:16, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

singles tables

under no circumstances is the french-chart performance more singificant than the euro hot 100. If you don't reverse the changes i will do it myself. This is like replacing billboard hot 100 with the chart from Kansas state for instance. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Szaboci (talk • contribs) 11:06, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Erm that is a ridiculous notion. And you need to calm down. The french performance is important because Rowland released several important French-collabs. Also the main issue is that Billboard does not have a stable source for the Euro Hot 100 positions. According to Billboard only 3 of her songs chart on Euro Hot 100 (it doesn't even show "Stole" as charting there even though we know that is the case). Therefore as their is the absense of a suitable source I had no choice but to replace with an alternative sourceable chart. Your comparison of Kansas state and Billboard Hot 100 is illogical because Kansas state would be a component of Hot 100 whereas Euro Hot 100 is an aggregate of 16 Euro Charts. --Lil-unique1 (talk) 14:31, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

just to update you, U.S. Dance has been removed and replaced with Germany. France also stays. EU Hot 100 has been discarded. --Lil-unique1 (talk) 13:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

so are you saying there was no source for the eu chart? or are you saying that you were unable to find them? billboard is not the only one source one can refer to. In fact I found 5 of her songs on billboard mentioning Eu hot 100 position.

Please see them here: When love takes over [2] like this, work, daylight [3] commander [4] Also for stole (your example) was already linked with an ARIA chart archive source.(see appropriate article on wiki).

I know my comparison was ridiculous but I it was meant to be... As much as replacing the EU hot 100 (a Market of a minimum of 0.5 billion in compare to the French market which is by no mean more than 60 million). Not to mention that the French collabs you given as reason for taking EU out were, No future in the past and Una Femme in Prison, did not even chart in the French top 40. So I'm sorry but I still don't quite get it why the EU chart was replaced with the French one.

In my opinion France should be there as Germany or UK but an EU chart has to be there too! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Szaboci (talk • contribs) 18:06, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

US dance, UK dance, Uk R&B and EU in the table? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.112.20.134 (talk) 00:21, July 19, 2010

Let me clarify my position in relation to the comments you've made. MOS:DISCOG states that there is to be a maximum of 10 charts. 6 of these are European, 2 American (R&B and Hot 100) and 2 Australasian (New Zealand, Australia). I cannot see which of those could be viably removed from the tables and replaced with EU Hot 100. ---- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 (talk2me) 22:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Clemuns, 18 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

The chartpositions of Commander aren't correct, see: http://dutchcharts.nl/showitem.asp?interpret=Kelly+Rowland+feat%2E+David+Guetta&titel=Commander&cat=s

Clemuns (talk) 21:10, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Response

 Not done, I'm not sure what the issue is. The charts we have listed in the discog are:

• US Hot 100 - not charted
• US R&B - not charted
• Australia - 61 (this is correct as the AUS chart goes up to 100 but can only be sourced from Pandora)
• French Singles Chart - not charted
• German Singles Chart - not charted
• Ireland - 13
• Dutch top 100 - not charted
• New Zealand - 16
• Switzerland - 46
• UK - 9

so i don't see the issue. With this requests you're supposed to say change x to y because of z -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 (talk2me) 22:30, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

To correct

ALBUMS "Simply Deep" 2, 5 million - "MS. Kelly / Star Deluxe" 1,5 million (330.000 in USA) - "One Woman Show" to Correct to Add EXTENDED PLAYED "Star Deluxe" to Add to MUSIC Video "Separated"," "No Substitute Love" (Estelle) (Guest appearance)", "Grown Woman"

•  Not done, please use the correct format of the 'edit semi-protected' template and clearly state the issues in the format change x to y because of source 1, source 2 etc. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 (talk2me) 20:45, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

PLEASE

You include all the certifications (Ms. kellly 2 silvers and two gold, Like This gold certification...etc) and the classifications US Dance and UK R&B —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.0.197.49 (talk) 16:04, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

MS. Kelly was not certfied anywhere in the world per the official databases. We already have 10 charts so R&B and Dance charts will not be added. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 | talk2me 14:22, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Number of Album and Single and Music Video

• 6 album (Of which 3 studio album, 1 ep, 1 boxset, 1 compilation)
• 1 dvd
• 20 singles (Of which 7 featured singles)
• 1 Charity single (We are The World 25 for Haity's Chorus)
• 23 music video (including: SEPARATED REMIX with Avant, NO SOBSTITUTE LOVE estelle-special guest, WE ARE THE WORLD 25 FOR HAITI, INVINCIBLE with Tinie Tempah)

You must insert the US Dance Chart Too! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.96.106.62 (talk) 06:02, December 10, 2010

Free Fall with Rune RK

Does anyone know if Free Fall with Rune RK was actually confirmed somewhere as a single? If not, I would suggest deleting that entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Szaboci (talk • contribs) 08:01, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Rune RK single

Does anyone know if Free Fall with Rune RK was actually confirmed somewhere as a single? If not, I would suggest deleting that entry.86.164.40.60 (talk) 10:20, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Rune says on his website that its likely to be released later this year. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 13:03, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

PROMOTIONAL SINGLES

• MAKE U WANNA STAY (feat. JOe Budden) - from Simply Deep - Promo Single, Vinyl, 12":

Font 1: http://www.musicstack.com/records-cds/kelly+rowland ; Font 2: http://www.discogs.com/Kelly-Rowland-Make-U-Wanna-Stay/release/488363 Font 3: http://www.amazon.com/Wanna-Kelly-Rowland-featuring-Budden/dp/B001JDS16W Font 4: http://991.com/buy/productinformation.aspx?StockNumber=230291 Font 5: http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=230291 Font 6: http://cgi.ebay.com/KELLY-ROWLAND-FEAT-JOE-BUDDEN-Make-U-Wanna-Stay-/250070145394

• BROKEN - from Ms. Kelly Deluxe - Vinyl Ep, CD single, Digital Ep:

Font 1: http://www.musicstack.com/album/kelly_rowland/ultimate_remixes_of_broken ; Font 2: http://www.vinylrevolution.com/album_B1635283// Font 3: http://www.nastystreet.com/index.php?page=223

• CASTLE MADE OF SAND - Pitbull feat. Kelly Rowland - from Planet P -

Font 1: http://acharts.us/song/64242 Font 2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitbull_discography#cite_note-acharts-14 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.96.106.76 (talk) 08:40, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Certification

Motivation is Gold in the USA.

Source= RIAA

Please include! --79.199.21.155 (talk) 00:30, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Done Jnorton7558 (talk) 06:35, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Here I Am

... debuted at No. 126 in the UK. Please add that ;) ! --79.199.19.192 (talk) 15:48, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jnorton7558 (talk) 00:54, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Lay It On Me

Lay It On Me features Big Sean, not Lil' Wayne. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akrein9 (talk • contribs) 03:18, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

everywhere you go

hi,

to whoever looks after kelly rowland's page ... good work!

i'd just like to point that "everywhre you go" was by rhythm of africa united featuring kelly rowland, meaning she's a fearured artist. therefore, it should be moved to the appropriate section. i know this because my friend in sa got it.

hope this helps.

krfan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.7.228.217 (talk • contribs) 13:53, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

any update on my previous post? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.7.243.6 (talk) 17:17, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Hello, krfan/80.7.228.217/80.7.243.6

It would help if you would sign your posts using four tildes (~~~~). There's no easy way for us to connect your current IP address 80.7.243.6 with "krfan", but at least if we see the IP addresses are similar, we might know what you're talking about.

I don't know anything about "Everywhere You Go", but if you can provide a verifiable source, maybe somebody here can help make whatever further changes are necessary. — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 19:05, 27 August 2011 (UTC).

i don't know how to sign off using 80.7.240.98 (talk) etc, sorry.

the official video has kelly's name at the end, after the others to show she's featured not lead. the mtn adverts also support this.

hope this helps.

krfan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.7.240.98 (talk) 06:40, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

hi,

everywhere you go WAS NOT a kelly rowland song.

she FEATURED on it.

the song was to celebrate thE football world cup in south africa BY AFRICAN ARTISTS & kelly rowland JUST FEATURED on it.

thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.7.231.164 (talk) 14:33, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

HERE I AM SALES

IT HAS SOLD 181,757 IN US TO DATE http://www.charly1300.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4447 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.96.106.6 (talk) 13:28, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

But we don't seem to consider charly1300 a reliable source. See, for example, WP:BADCHARTS. — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 02:19, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

When Love Takes Over & What a Feeling

Why are "When Love Takes Over" & "What a Feeling" listed as singles from Here I Am. Kelly was a FEATURED, not lead artist on these tracks & they're not even on all editions of the Here I Am album. They weren't released to promote Kelly's album but the David Guetta and Alex Gaudino albums! 80.238.1.135 (talk) 12:24, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

HERE I AM INTERNATIONAL — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.204.4.70 (talk) 21:58, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

80.238.1.135, your right. "When Love Takes Over" and "What a Feeling" should stay in the featured artist table. And to 213.204.4.70, they were NOT released as singles from the international version of Here I Am. They were later included on the album. Kelly is still a featured artist. Oz ^talk 22:04, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

NEWS

to date Here I Am has sold more than 200,000k in USA e 400,000k in the World, insert new sales information please. Insert the new single keep in between us in singles and video please — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.204.4.70 (talk) 14:51, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

As of December 2011 Here I Am hs sold 211,000 copies in US at #171 on Billboard 200. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.204.4.70 (talk) 15:35, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

INVINCIBLE

IS NZ PLATINUM. EDIT PLEASE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.96.106.6 (talk) 15:18, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Source? Oz ^talk 20:41, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

ALBUM SALES

Why you edit here i am sales in 178,000? isn't correct. The most recently date is 211,000 at #171 in US alone. Please! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.96.106.6 (talk) 13:35, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

The source Thisgoesin.com was not reliable because they got that information from a forum. Oz ^talk 20:38, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

yes but the date is from billboard — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.96.106.6 (talk) 13:05, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

What are you talking about? Okay so Thisgoesin.com got their album sales information from www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=78284&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1150 and per WP:USERG, forums are not reliable so we cannot use it as a source for Wikipedia. Find a reliable source that supports the most recent sales for Here I Am. Oz ^talk 20:50, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Nielsen soundscoun report that as of 2/29/2012 here i am has sold 222,272 copies in US alone — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.96.106.6 (talk) 14:10, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

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SONGWRITING

I think that like "Beyoncé Discography", this page too need a section of "singles as a songwriter". This is a list of her single of a songwriter:

• Bills, Bills, Bills
• Bug A Boo
• Say My name
• Lose My breath
• Soldier
• Girl
• Cater 2 U
• Grillz
• Like This
• Ghetto
• Work
• When love Takes Over
• Commander
• Castle Made of Sand
• Forever and a Day
• What a Feeling

Can you insert please? Thank you

( "Here I am" has sold 226,000+ copies to date in USA and "Playlist: The Very Best Of" has sold 10,000+ in US according Billboard) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.54.217.106 (talk) 20:51, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

No, this has been discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Discographies and it was decided that they should not be included in discographies. Also, you have not provided any reliable sources for those album sales. Oz ^talk 21:05, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

for sales:

• http://slumz.boxden.com/f87/boxden-chart-news-1730251/
• http://www.google.it/search?hl=it&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=36+67+77+78+ROWLAND*KELLY+HERE+I+AM+814+-3+843+226214+&btnK=#hl=it&sclient=psy-ab&q=ROWLAND*KELLY+HERE+I+AM+226214&oq=ROWLAND*KELLY+HERE+I+AM+226214&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=serp.12...52375l52375l1l55344l1l1l0l0l0l0l891l891l6-1l1l0.frgbld.&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=e8cc468989b97a8b&biw=1280&bih=617
• http://www.whitney-fan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=51460&st=60
• pulse music boards

For her songwriting section i don't understand why she doesn't deserve this article.. She has sold 60 million album and singles as Destiny and 23 as solo artist.. I don't understand this chose.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.54.217.106 (talk) 21:36, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• Slumbz.boxden.com is not a reliable source, per discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Slumz.boxden.com
• Google search is not a proper source.
• Whitney-fan.com and Pulse Music Boards are both forums so they're not reliable as well (Read WP:USERG).

Again, where is your reliable sources for those "60 million album and singles as Destiny and 23 as solo artist" claims? Oz ^talk 21:50, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• http://www.bbc.co.uk/pudsey/whatson/rocks/kelly_rowland.shtml
• http://programmes.stv.tv/the-x-factor/news/285190-x-factor-semi-final-kelly-rowland-is-down-for-whatever-as-she-smoulders-on-stage/
• http://www.btlife.bt.com/entertainment/x-factor-kelly-rowland-talks-uk-talent-uniqueness-and-likeability/
• http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/features/simon-cowell-the-missing-x-factor-6275413.html
• http://www.fitnraw.com/sexy-abs-with-kelly-rowland/
• http://tv.uk.msn.com/reality-tv/kelly-rowland-to-quit-x-factor — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.53.122.178 (talk) 22:31, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I think that is correct to introduced an article with her writing singles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.96.106.62 (talk) 07:25, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Other...... charted song

Why she don't have an article with her songwriting singles? This is a discrimantion... Who do you think you are for to decide in this exclusive and non appellable way... And why in her "other charted song" there isn't UNITY? you can see http://www.billboard.com/song/kelly-rowland/unity/11227513 and why in her promotional singles there isn't MAKE U WANNA STAY you can see

• http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=230291
• http://www.musicstack.com/album/kelly+rowland/make+u+wanna+stay
• http://www.discogs.com/Kelly-Rowland-Make-U-Wanna-Stay/release/488363

You should insert it now! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.96.106.6 (talk) 13:14, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Hello! I added Unity as per Billboard. I don't know anything about Make U Wanna Stay. Was it a promo single? Which album? Szaboci (talk) 16:11, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

If you think her songwriting credits should be in the article then go and discuss at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Discographies/style first because they're not allowed in artists discographies. Oz ^talk 21:04, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Make u wanna stay

Can you insert on promo single please before everywhere you go ang gtown ass woman?

Make U wanna stay- kelly rowland feat. Joe Budden - Promo single- album simply deep year 2003

• http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=230291
• http://www.musicstack.com/album/kelly+rowland/make+u+wanna+stay
• http://www.discogs.com/Kelly-Rowland-Make-U-Wanna-Stay/release/488363 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.53.163.43 (talk) 08:47, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Done Szaboci (talk) 18:26, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Rose Colored Glasses

Just wondering about Rose Colored Glasses isn't that one rather a promo single? Szaboci (talk) 18:26, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Songs sent to radio = Single Oz ^talk 20:58, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

REAL SALES TO DATE OF HERE I AM and OTHER

Hi Szaboci and hello wiki word! Can you insert the real sales to date of Here I Am with an autorevol source, please? Many blogs reported the billboard date of sales but blogs in wiki are not considerated as autorevol sources. Can you help me? thank you so much.

Here I am - US sales 226,214 (to April 7,2012) Playlist: The very best of Kelly rowland - US sales to date 10,064 (to April 7,2012)

see w w w .ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=3686295 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.96.106.6 (talk) 14:16, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

It's a FORUM! WIKI cannot accept forums as reliable source Szaboci (talk) 15:49, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I know in fact I ask your help for search a reliable source but with the real sales — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.53.156.31 (talk) 19:38, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

can you insert an ep?

followed "Ms. Kelly Diva Deluxe" and "Ms. Kelly Digital Ep": there is "Ultimate Remix of "Broken""

• "Ultimate Remix of "Broken""

Vinyl Ep, CD single, Digital Ep: Font 1: http://www.musicstack.com/album/kelly_rowland/ultimate_remixes_of_broken ; Font 2: http://www.vinylrevolution.com/album_B1635283// Font 3: http://www.nastystreet.com/index.php?page=223 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.53.156.31 (talk) 19:47, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Chart

I think that her discography needing of US dance, UK dance and UK r&b chart. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.53.156.31 (talk) 19:55, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

There cannot be more than 10 charts Oz ^talk 20:58, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Incip

Hi! Can you insert at the end of incip of Kelly Rowland discography the number of her career (with sources)?

<<Rowland was the first Destiny's Child member to have launched an international solo career and to have won a Grammy Awards. To date with her singles and collaborations, she has scored 6 Billboard Hot 100 top-thirty of which one at #1, 3 R&B number-one and 3 dance number-one, but she has gotten her massive successful stateside, where in UK she has released 13 top-twenty, 9 top-ten and 2 number-one, and in Australia she has received seven platinum and a gold single certifications .>>

Thanks! Lo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.54.199.97 (talk) 16:53, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

MUST TO INSERT

In Videoclip section: "Heart Attack" (treyz songz) ..she is actress on the video. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.16.24.252 (talk) 15:51, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

 Done Oz ^talk 11:13, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Singles/Album

To make the most precise page we should insert in the voice "Album" of the section "Single as to featured artist" this content:

• When Love Takes Over: One Love by David Guetta & Here I Am International Version by Kelly Rowland
• What a Feeling: Magnificient by Alex Gaudino & Here I Am International Version by Kelly Rowland

No because they were not released as singles from Here I Am. Oz ^talk 11:12, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

EPs and Videoclip

Ms.Kelly Diva Deluxe was an other Ep, it was sold apart Ms. Kelly Deluxe Edition . Please, insert.

Separatede Remix was her first music video as a solo artist. Please, insert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.198.3.104 (talk) 12:18, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

SEPARATED

standard and remix edition of singles were sold togheter and charted togheter #23 hot 100, #1R&B. Please, insert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.96.106.6 (talk) 14:05, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

The remix version did not chart. If it did then Kelly would be credited as a featured artist here and here. Oz ^talk 20:48, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

BOO THANG

its chart position isn't correct...its really best chart position was at #44 on r&b chart. (Billboard r&b/hip hop songs chart, November/Becember 2011) Please edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.198.13.227 (talk) 20:58, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

WORK

Is platinum in Italy for more 30k sold — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.15.196.69 (talk) 14:03, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

FIMI: Work Platinum Disk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.198.88.172 (talk) 18:27, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Sales of Here I Am

Hi! According many blogs Here I Am has sold to date 226k in US and 500k worldwide. I think this data of sales are true but i don't have an official source...Can you try that? Music&Co — Preceding unsigned comment added by Music&Co (talk • contribs) 22:48, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

4th album era

Summer dreaming isn't a single? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Music&Co (talk • contribs) 08:04, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

SUMMER DREAMING is a official single. It was released on Amazon and Itunes: another old single SUNSHINE was released in 2004:

...please added in singles section of discography, and correct her total number of singles (lead,promotional,charted song end featured) in front of page. Thanks --Music&Co (talk) 23:45, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

 Done – Yes "Summer Dreaming" is an official single but "Sunshine" looks like a promotional single. Oz ^talk 00:00, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Summer dreaming chart position

79 in german single chart. please add — Preceding unsigned comment added by Music&Co (talk • contribs) 14:16, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

 Done Oz ^talk 21:43, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Comeback

Isn't comeback a promo single rather than an offical single from the album? I can't find any stand alone single releases available online by any of the major stores... Szaboci (talk) 07:18, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't want to be fussy but quoting the reference it says: "going for adds" that means it hasn't yet gone for adds and its planned. (to me at least). Also I found it odd that for 5 years we all thought that the album had four offical singles and then now suddenly it became five! Szaboci (talk) 07:35, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Songs sent to radio = singles. Not all singles have digital releases, covers or music videos. See Love in This Club Part II, Did It On'em, Raining Men and Hot Tottie for more examples of airplay-only release. If Comeback wasn't "going for adds" then it would have been removed from the list in that reference. Oz ^talk 08:05, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Still it doesn't make much sense to me to send two singles to Urban radio within a 1 week unless one of them was pulled last minute... I just found a source stating that "Comeback" was going to be the forth single in 2008, the source in the current article says that "Comeback" was sent to radio in 2007. [[5]] Szaboci (talk) 08:04, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

That source is not reliable because it's a gossip site. — Oz (talk) 10:55, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

A music video was filmed and it was planned to be a single from the album but it was never actually released or sent to radio. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 12:38, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

R&R says it was sent to urban radio on July 30, 2007 (see here). — Oz (talk) 20:49, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Could someone please correct it in the article then? Szaboci (talk) 13:50, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

But we always say a radio release alone is not enough to symbolize a commercial release. There needs to be accompanying coverage from reliable third party sources also. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 22:29, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes and there is nothing about this song on the net apart of that only one added source and few gossip sites! I suggest deleting comeback as a single. Also if Beyonce can get away with commercial itunes releases not being listed on her discography page as offical singles I think we are a bit harsh here with Kelly Rowland, considering that discography pages are supposed to show the artist overall chart and commercial success. Oz you edit Beyonce's discography page quite often I am sure you know what I am talking about... Szaboci (talk) 07:24, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

OK then. Can't find any reliable third party sources about "Comeback" being a single so remove it. Szaboci, why are you bringing up Beyonce here? Lol. You've been told at Talk:Beyoncé Knowles discography why "Upgrade U" and "Party" are not singles and I have nothing to do with that. — Oz (talk) 07:34, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! I remember I have been told, but then it doesn't mean that I actually have to agree with that, does it? Sorry I could have brought up other artists too however the comparison is always the most striking with the former bandmate. Szaboci (talk) 08:15, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Hang on, now "Comeback" is a promotional single? How? — Oz (talk) 09:59, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

I didn't add this. Speak to Music&Co! I give up! Szaboci (talk) 16:58, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Charity Single

Rowland sing in the chorus of We Are The World 25 for Haiti, and she appared on the official video. Please insert. Thanks --Music&Co (talk) 20:43, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

REF: --Music&Co (talk) 21:05, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

That source is a blog so it's not reliable. And Kelly Rowland is not in the photo in that source. And she doesn't appear in the music video. Oz ^talk 20:47, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Collaborative compilation Album

"A R&B diva Tribute To Beyoncé & kelly Rowland" sold on Amazon. Please insert. REF --87.0.196.78 (talk) 12:56, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

JUDGING SENTENCE

the sentence written in the way in which is saved now it results judging and not encyclopedic. It should abstain from giving a judgment. Success / failure is a concept that can refer to the sales, to the certifications, in the opinion of musical critics, to the positions reached in classification, to the notoriety reached on the newspapers or sites web. The sentence " Much like her second album, Here I Am was also unsuccessful, having failed to earn any chart certificates. " should be to edit in "Here I Am like her predecessor has failed to earn any chart certificates".--109.52.126.78 (talk) 16:04, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

NOT CORRECT SENTENCE

Intro refer that "Her discography, as a solo artist, began in 2002 and includes three studio albums, two compilation albums, two extended plays, twenty-eight singles, including eleven as a featured artist, three promotional singles and two DVD albums."

It is not correct...

THIS IS CORRECT: "Her discography, as a solo artist, began in 2002 and includes three studio album, two compilation album, two ep, a box-set, 29 official singles of which twelve as a featured artist, three promotional singles, two charted songs, a charity single (in the chorus), two DVD albums and 34 music video." (she appeared on music video of We Are The World 25 for Haiti in which she sing in the chorus as featured artist in that supergroup)

Please insert! --109.52.126.78 (talk) 16:41, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

TOTAL SALES

Enough with these continuous diatribes on the figures of sale, it seems me that it plays him to lower the data, justifying saying that the sources aren't reliable: DON'T BE' TRUE! would need to accept the things as I am, and this doesn't devalue the other artists! But all it takes is persisting to reduce the data and the respects of sale. These are the numbers of legally records sold...who knows how much records will have been sold or unloaded in illegal way........

DESTINY'S CHILD sold over 60 million records worldwide (40 million only albums). DC are the second best-selling female girl group in the history, behind The Spice Girls (75millions) and before TLC (55 millions) .

ROWLAND AS A SOLO ARTIST HAS SOLD MORE THAN 22 million records worldwide (+4 million albums and +18million lead and duet singles).

ROWLAND CAREER In her career she has surpassed 82 million records globally with her solo sales and sales of her group.

See her officail promo video during X FACTOR UK, on national UK TV. SEE VIDEO--> Music&Co (talk) 07:22, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

As per this discussion here sales have to come from reliable independent sources of which things soul culture (a blog), twitter, production companies are not classfied as reliable sourced. If you added the 22 million that rowland has supposedly sold to the 50 million which DC have sold thats 72m ... 10m behind what the daily mail claim. Thus It cannot/will not be added. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 13:34, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Album Title 4th Album by Kelly Rowland

Kelly Rowland reveiled the title for her upcoming 4th studio album, named Year Of The Woman (source: http://kellyrowland.com/) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.211.196.16 (talk) 13:15, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

New Music

Is this a new featured single? http://kellyrowland.com/new-music-neva-end-remix-future-ft-kelly-rowland/ --Music&Co (talk) 19:48, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Album sales for Here I Am

Is this a credible source?

http://thelavalizard.com/2012/10/kelly-rowland-reveals-new-album-title/

if so it could be included in the article... Szaboci (talk) 09:14, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

It's a blog similar to That Grape Juice so no. 0z (talk) 11:57, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Here I Am Sales.

I do not have a source but Here I Am to date has sold 262k in the U.S. The 180k that is posted is dates 2 years ago almost. Then in the U.K it has sold 73k. Again I don't have a source, I keep track and tally everyweek. It has already gone silver so there is proof it has done more than 60k. That's 335k in the U.K and U.S. Worldwide is about 450k-500k.

Why hasn't this been updated? I thought WIKI is always on top of things and has answers to everything. Talk A Good Game is on 192k in the U.S at the moment aswell. Can someone please take over, If this was GaGa or Rihanna everything would be in place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.136.128.49 (talk) 19:10, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

We need a source this is how it works.Szaboci (talk) 20:11, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

So if an official source like Billboard or somebody doesn't post about the sales of these albums they will forever be left the way they are with the FALSE information posted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.136.128.49 (talk) 00:50, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Pretty much. I wonder sometimes what happened in the old days when we had no internet.  :) Szaboci (talk) 09:48, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

its not a case of false information, its more that its out of date. That's why we add the (as of) in brackets afterwards so people know when the sales apply to! → Lil-℧niquԐ 1 - { Talk } - 11:38, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

talk a good game sales in USA

167,000 copies sold in US as of october 2013. http://thatgrapejuice.net/2013/10/chart-check-rb-divas-edition/--109.55.200.36 (talk) 09:58, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Italian Certifications of sales (Fimi and Musica&Dischi)

When love takes over and Work are platinum in Italy. Please insert this certications in singles tables. Sources for When live takes over http://www.fimi.it/archivio_certificazioni.php (archivio 2009_to date).. for work (2008) http://www.musicaedischi.it/mdonline/7267.pdf. --109.55.200.36 (talk) 10:24, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

I understand, however the article does not currently use the Italian charts as reference so therefore I cannot insert this. As a general rule of showing artist overall success wiki normally uses 10 charts in chart table. If you think that the Italian chart should be inserted please open a new section and explain your argument why? Note once inserted most probably one of the other charts has to be removed. Szaboci (talk) 15:10, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Dilemma song

Dilemma used to be in the lead section but then it was moved to features. Now I understand the logic behind however I did some research and for instance "allmusic" we use as one of our main reference pages regards the song as the first and lead single of Simply Deep, additionally the album version of Dilemma on Simply Deep credits Rowland as lead. This should be back in the lead section in my opinion as sources prove its is a duet, it was marketed and widely regarded as a duet and both albums Nellyville and Simply Deep took off on this single. Szaboci (talk) 18:05, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

I think the same.. for me it's ok--95.74.179.91 (talk) 20:44, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

French version of simply deep : the song une femme en prison credit rowland as lead. And in the international edition of here i am when love takes over and what a feeling in that way credit rowland? Lead, pair or feat?--95.74.179.91 (talk) 21:02, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Dilemma = yes. When Love Takes Over and What a Feeling = no because she is credited as a featured artist. It doesn't matter if they appear on Here I Am, she's still a featured artist. 0z (talk) 23:24, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

I agree about WLTO and What a Feeling. Szaboci (talk) 06:45, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Ok! And for une femme n prison? In simply deep she is the lead on song credits--95.74.163.247 (talk) 18:57, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

other chart to insert

hi. I would want to propose to insert some other charts in the chart of the singles and albums..for the albums I propose the insertion of: UK r&B chart and Australia r&b chart both because the artist is primarily an artist r&b, both because all of its albums have conquered top-ten and top-20 in these charts, showing a considerable impact on that part of music market. For the singles I propose to insert: UK r&b (work #1, invincible #4), US dance and UK dance (because of numerous productions dance of notable impact::like this #1US, daylight #14US, when love takes over #1US and UK, commander #1US #2UK, what to feeling #26 US #2UK, down for whatever #3UK). I propose besides the insertion of the Italian chart since numerous passages have had impact of sales or airplay: dilemma, stole, like this, work, daylight, brethe gentle, when love takes over, everywhere you go, commander, invincible, what to feeling, down for whatever, castle made of sand, lay it on me. Besides conquering two certifications for singles.--109.52.115.179 (talk) 09:44, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

I strongly oppose adding more component charts such as the UK and AUS R&B charts as Rowland is an international artist and having more countries in the chart table in my opinion would reflect her overall success more appropriately.

I am also opposed adding the Italian charts as none of her albums charted there. Szaboci (talk) 12:02, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

I disagree. Wikipedia only allows 10 charts in the tables. Adding the UK R&B/Dance charts and US Dance chart will mean that some of the charts already in the tables will have to be removed including their certifications. And I don't agree with adding Italy because none of her albums charted there. 0z (talk) 22:44, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Actually Ms Kelly charted and peaked @ 41 in Italy. Question - Is this enough to replace France with Italy? I personally think that since Work was major in Italy going Platinum it would be nice if we could show that in the tables. Her chart trajectory in terms of singles is all the same if not higher in italy WLTO went number 1(platinum) and stole peaked higher as well, plus breath gentle peaked at number 2... thoughts? Szaboci (talk) 10:30, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Looks like she's had better chart positions in Italy than France. I don't mind the change. —Lightsout (talk) 10:41, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Oz? Szaboci (talk) 11:01, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it's me. I changed my username. —Lightsout (talk) 11:05, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Ah ok. :) Nice new name. I will do it then... Szaboci (talk) 11:12, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. What was the question you had for me? —Lightsout (talk) 23:17, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

that up there is all for now. Szaboci (talk) 08:35, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Dutch top 40/Tip

Wouldn't it more appropriate to use the dutch top 40/tip chart in the article since it measures both airplay and sales? For instance the Christina Aguilera discography or Beyoncé discography are both using this format adding the tip chart entries where appropriate. The tip chart acts as an extension of the top 40. Opinions? If everyone agrees I am happy to make the changes. Szaboci (talk) 12:12, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I agree. Many discographies use the Dutch Top 40 chart over the Single Top 100 chart. —Lightsout (talk) 06:49, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

suppprt → Lil-℧niquԐ 1 - { Talk } - 12:45, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Bubbling Under Hot 100

The last time I checked the info was available. Billboard.com keeps changing what's available on their website. Like with the features, for months her features were available to access through Kelly's main artist page then they suddenly removed them. Szaboci (talk) 14:35, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Those positions are available to view on Billboard.biz (Billboard's business website) free of charge by searching for the song and artist under chart. → Lil-℧niquԐ 1 - { Talk } - 12:46, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Lead section

The lead is long and I think it needs to be shortened. As Kelly will release more albums/singles in the future, the lead will get longer and longer. Thoughts? KRDilemma (talk) 06:27, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

I agree. Szaboci (talk) 07:09, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

I agree. One paragraph per album (with any feature collaborations that happened at the same time as the album was release should suffice). We should only discuss the most notable of the collaborations etc and bunch together wherever possible, e.g. "Rowland collaborated on 3 US top-tweny R&B singles in 2013, including songs with ABC Artist, XYZ Artist and JKL artist. → Lil-℧niquԐ 1 - { Talk } - 11:45, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you both for agreeing. I already shortened the lead and hope you like it. KRDilemma (talk) 05:13, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

I think the new version is much much better. Thank you! Szaboci (talk) 16:53, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks :) KRDilemma (talk) 00:50, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Ms. Kelly's U.S. sales

Billboard reported in 2011 that Ms. Kelly has sold 222,000 copies but the 2008 source used in this article says 273,000 copies. Which source is correct? KRDilemma (talk) 00:56, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

I cannot judge which one more is reliable, my guts would go with billboard. I mean the above article also claims that Ms. Kelly sold 1,2 million copies worldwide to me that's a bit high too judging its chart performance. Szaboci (talk) 08:17, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

I would go with the Billboard source too because it's more reliable. —Lightsout (talk) 11:07, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

I agree billboard has the correct U.S. sales. The billboard source say Kelly was dropped by columbia records for poor album sales. Columbia wouldn't have dropped Kelly if the album sold 1.2 million copies worldwide so the 2008 article must be wrong. And mercedes-benzsa.co.za does not look reliable to me because it is a South African car website lol. KRDilemma (talk) 11:27, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Great. Does anyone have a more reliable source for Here I Am sales? Szaboci (talk) 11:10, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't agree, I don't think billboard is more reliable..176.201.76.35 (talk) 22:34, 11 May 2014 (UTC)