Talk:Kitab al-wadih bi-l-haqq

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Did you know... that the Kitab al-wadih bi-l-haqq is a critique of Islam written by a convert to Coptic Christianity during a period of persecution?

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 05:01, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the Kitab al-wadih bi-l-haqq was written by a Copt during a period of persecution under the Caliph al-Hakim? Source: Bertaina, David (2021). Būluṣ ibn Rajāʾ: The Fatimid Egyptian Convert Who Shaped Christian Views of Islam. Brill. p. 28
- ALT1: ... that the Splitting of the Moon would have caused destructive tidal bores, according to the Latin version of the Kitab al-wadih bi-l-haqq? Source: Bertaina, David (2021). Būluṣ ibn Rajāʾ: The Fatimid Egyptian Convert Who Shaped Christian Views of Islam. Brill. p. 86
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Spanish patrol boat Serviola
- Comment: In ALT1, the link could be to Liber denudationis, the title of the Latin version and a redirect, but I think direct links are preferred.

Created by Srnec (talk). Self-nominated at 16:08, 3 December 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Reviewing... Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:51, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Srnec: Good article. Will have to assume good faith on the offline sources. Onegreatjoke (talk) 04:11, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Srnec and Onegreatjoke: Hey y'all! I think ALT0 is definitely on the right track – but I also think if there were a small amount of easily understandable explanation on what this is and why the context is important, it would be a lot more intriguing. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:50, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- How about one of these? Srnec (talk) 21:21, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - ALT2: ... that the Kitab al-wadih bi-l-haqq is a critique of Islam written by a convert to Coptic Christianity during a period of persecution under the Caliph al-Hakim?
  - ALT3: ... that the Kitab al-wadih bi-l-haqq is a Coptic critique of Islam written by a convert during the persecution of the Copts under the Caliph al-Hakim?
    - @Srnec: That's good, if you don't mind my cutting the name of the caliph in post? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:15, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      - @Theleekycauldron: If you think it's 'hookier'. The reason I named al-Hakim—and I realize this cannot explained in the hook—is that "al-Ḥākim's policies and actions were probably the most extreme in the history of Coptic relations with Muslims in Egypt," according to the cited source (pp. 5–6). If we had an article on al-Hakim's religious policies, I'd have linked that, but the closest we've got is an article on the most famous episode, the destruction of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in 1009. Srnec (talk) 02:14, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article Rating[edit]

@Srnec, I rated this article C-class as a starting point; it looks like it could qualify as B-class or higher, but I was leaving the peer-review process to the relevent WikiProjects.
Let me know your thoughts, -Proxima Centari (talk) 23:50, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Don't take it personally, but I don't see the point in waiting for what may never come. Many projects have lists of B criteria. A C rating implies some failure against those criteria. But if it hasn't even been checked...? I don't bother with the A-rating, GA and FA processes, but when I write a long(er) article, I aim for a B rating. It is comprehensive, referenced and has pictures. If it doesn't meet even a B standard, I'd like to be told how, so I can remedy it. That's all. Srnec (talk) 03:04, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point. Sometime this coming week I can review it against the lists of B criteria and see where it stands.
Thanks for the reply,
-Proxima Centari (talk) 03:42, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]