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May 10, 2011 Good article nominee Listed
April 29, 2011 Peer review Reviewed
Current status: Good article

General Lawton[edit]

Information about General Lawton is already contained under Geography. Should it be reverted from the introductory section? Tex 23:48, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes. My bad. I didn't notice it there, but it makes sense. Rklawton 01:37, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Candice Earley[edit]

This actress has recently been added to Famous People from Lawton. But the article on her does not indicate her connection with Lawton. It says she was born at Ft. Hood, so I can well believe that she may have lived at Ft. Sill at some point. Would someone please edit the article on her to show the Lawton connection? Did she go to Lawton High? Or what? Tex 16:13, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

"Notable" People[edit]

This list of notable people from Lawton is longer than it probably should be. I'm not sure if non-notable college football players and music producers should qualify. There are a few red links too, and most of the entries are unsourced. Any objections to cleaning up this list a little... or a lot? Weathermandan 22:43, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Notable People from Lawton[edit]

I was born and raised in Lawton, graduating LHS in 1968. I totally agree that the list of "notable" people from Lawton is too large. I have never heard of any of these people. I wouldn't consider an athlete famous unless the person won an Olympic Medal, the Heisman Trophy, or was inducted in the Hall of Fame. None of the music producers can fall in the "notable" category. Please clean up the list.

BTW, I went to school with Candice Earley (Candy).

Mike Nishimuta 23:05, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


Split History[edit]

I really like the info the History section provides but I think it might deserve its own article a la History of Oklahoma City and History of Tulsa. The reason being is that the Geography Section needs to be expanded with some climate data and with the history that long the article will too much. Crimsonedge34 (talk) 00:28, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree, here's the note about history sections on city articles, found underGuidelines for Wikipedia articles on cities:

Note: History sections can easily become very long with more detail than appropriate for a general overview. While there is no strict rule on how long a section may be, as a general rule of thumb, more than 10 paragraphs or the use of subsection headings might indicate that it should be accompanied by a History of _ main article (using the main template). Only describe the minimum of what is required to understand where the community has come from and let the History of _ article give the details.

Second-level headings are to be avoided since they tend to encourage excessive detail and length and can disrupt cohesion.

See the problem. Okiebradshaw (talk) 20:33, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Lawton, Oklahoma/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Folklore1 (talk) 12:17, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

As I perform the review, I will be updating the following table. Please look for my questions, comments and recommendations below the table. Folklore1 (talk) 12:38, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Rate Attribute Review Comment
1. Well written:
1a. the prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct.
1b. it complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. Well organized, easy to read
2. Verifiable with no original research:
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
2b. all in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines. see "Events and festivals", "Media" and "References" in notes below
2c. it contains no original research.
3. Broad in its coverage:
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). Comprehensive, yet not overly detailed
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. no recent edit wars
6. Illustrated, if possible, by images:
6a. images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content. 4 Share Alike images, 3 public domain, 1 fair use non-free logo
6b. images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. relevant images, properly placed, captioned
7. Overall assessment.

History[edit]

The second paragraph of the History section contains the phrase: "until 1867 where the southwest portion was allotted". The meaning is unclear. Should "where" be replaced by "while"? Folklore1 (talk) 12:46, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 13:27, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Geography[edit]

In the phrase, "the Wichita Mountains consist primary", you probably want to use "primarily".

"Sandstone" should be lower case to be consistent with "shale".

Should "Wichita Granite Group" be "Wichita Group granite"? Folklore1 (talk) 13:18, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done Except for the Wichita Granite Group suggestion, that's what it's specifically called in the source.--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 14:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Climate[edit]

"While occasional northerly winds during the winter can intensify cold periods." We need a verb here. Folklore1 (talk) 13:23, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

"The summers can be extremely hot, where Lawton averages 35 days with temperatures 100 °F (38 °C) and above." The use of "where" seems a bit awkward to me, although I live in Baltimore where the local dialect of English is a bit different. Perhaps it would help to replace "hot, where Lawton" with "hot; Lawton" ? Folklore1 (talk) 13:30, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done Intensify is a verb. ;) I rearranged the sentence to make it more readable.--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 14:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Demographics[edit]

A sentence in the second paragraph of this section begins with "24.6%". Sentences should not start with digits, but we don't want to be spelling out multi-digit numbers either. You might want to restructure this sentence. Folklore1 (talk) 15:55, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 16:55, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Economy and workforce[edit]

In the first paragraph of this section, you don't need to capitalize "Billion".

"Its goal is to redesigning second" needs to be fixed in the second paragraph.

The third paragraph has multiple sentences beginning with digits and they make it difficult to read. Folklore1 (talk) 16:09, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 16:55, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Sports[edit]

"the school has no football current program" doesn't look quite right. Folklore1 (talk) 17:03, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 17:46, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Parks and recreation[edit]

"the largest Elmer Thomas" needs a comma after "largest" and maybe you should identify Elmer Thomas as a "Park" or something else.

"were boating, swimming, camping," needs to be fixed. Folklore1 (talk) 17:12, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 17:46, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Government[edit]

"operations of the city is" mixes plural and singular. "covers the city" with 3 districts mixes plural and singular.

"As of April 2011, the Mayor of Lawton is Fred L. Fitch and City Manager is Larry Mitchell." This sentence is technically correct, but we're into May now. So maybe you want to replace "is" with "was". (I'm nitpicking here. This is just an optional suggestion.) Folklore1 (talk) 17:25, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 17:46, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Primary and secondary schools[edit]

Does "K-3" mean Kindergarten through third grade? Folklore1 (talk) 17:35, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

To be honest I don't know. K-3 could mean that they might combine those grade levels or offer specialized courses for them. It's just what is stated on their website. I might just put Kindergarten for simplicity sake.--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 17:46, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Media[edit]

"TV homes" is an unfamiliar term to me. What does it mean? Folklore1 (talk) 17:40, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

It means a household with at least one television in it. I'll spell out that term.--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 18:08, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

The statement that the Wichita Falls and Lawton Media Market are the 149th largest was true for the 2009-10 rankings, but the rankings may change in subsequent years. Past tense should be used to describe the ranking, with the relevant period specified. Then the article will still be accurate if Wikipedia editors are a little slow updating. Folklore1 (talk) 17:35, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 22:15, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Transportation[edit]

"Lawton Area Transit System (LATS) which provides public transit for both Lawton and Fort Sill." needs to be fixed. Folklore1 (talk) 21:28, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

"and is also used for military use" seems to overuse "use" just a bit. Folklore1 (talk) 21:31, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 23:25, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Notable residents[edit]

"Drummer", "Code Talker", "Champion", "Quarterback", and "Contender Champion Boxer" should probably be changed to lower case for consistency with "winning actress", "poet" and "WWII ace". Folklore1 (talk) 12:57, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done Code Talker and Contender are proper nouns, but everything else fixed.--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 13:45, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
See "Pro Bowlers" and "Code Talker" in the third paragraph. Should these also be lower case? Folklore1 (talk) 14:08, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
No. Comanche Code Talker is all one proper noun so it should be capitalized. Pro Bowlers should be capitalized as well since Pro Bowl is a proper noun and Pro Bowlers is a derivative of it.--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 15:18, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Images[edit]

General Lawton's image was assigned "Henry Ware Lawton" as a category in Wikimedia Commons, but there is no such category. This isn't a GA issue, but should be corrected. Folklore1 (talk) 14:03, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Actually, there is a category for "Henry Ware Lawton" with four other images of the general listed in it. Folklore1 (talk) 18:43, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 Done I removed the category-review tag from the Henry Ware Lawton image file in Wikimedia Commons. Folklore1 (talk) 18:47, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Events and festivals[edit]

"one of the longest running Easter Passion Play" "Play" should probably be "plays". You might want to link it to the Wikipedia article, Passion play. Folklore1 (talk) 13:25, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 22:15, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

"In May, Lawton Arts for All hosts the Arts for All Festival" The reference identified the full name of the organization as "Arts for All, Inc." I'm nitpicking again here, but the full name make it clear that there's a formal, legal entity behind the event. Not all nonprofit organizations get sufficiently well organized enough to incorporate. Folklore1 (talk) 13:34, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 22:15, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

References[edit]

The first three references (American Fact Finder, US Board on Geographic Names, Find a County) have links to cover pages, which were not sufficient to verify anything. Links to specific pages with useful data would be helpful. For example, a reference linking to Feature Detail Report for: Lawton could be used to support some of the infobox details. Folklore1 (talk) 15:28, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 17:16, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

A direct link to the Lawton, Oklahoma GDP table would be helpful for the BEA reference (footnote 6). Folklore1 (talk) 15:50, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

 Not done There is no way to directly link the data from that website. A person will just have to start from there and select Lawton from the list and search.--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 17:16, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Although "Oklahoma History" supports the facts cited by footnote 7, specific page numbers would be helpful. Folklore1 (talk) 15:52, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 17:16, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Paragraph 6 of History states: "population increasing from 18,055 to 34,757 from 1930 to 1940". According to the reference, the period should be "1940 to 1950". Folklore1 (talk) 16:43, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 17:16, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

The reference cited by footnote 32 reported an F3 tornado hitting Lawton in 1979, not in 1974. Folklore1 (talk) 12:43, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 22:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

With the "cite news" template, used for footnotes 53 and 54, changing "publisher" to "work" will cause the template to italicize the publication names. If the names of the reporters were given with the articles, you can add them by using "author=". Folklore1 (talk) 13:48, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 22:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

The second paragraph of "Primary and secondary schools" states that St. Mary's Catholic School is "the only accredited private school in Lawton." However, I could not find anything on St. Mary's "Home" or "About" pages supporting that statement; they simply indicated that St. Mary's is accredited. The Lawton Christian School's website reports that it "is accredited through the Association of Christian Teachers & Schools which is a member of the Oklahoma Private Schools Accreditation Commission (OPSAC)." Folklore1 (talk) 17:09, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done Statement removed.--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 22:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

The "Our History" page of Commanche County Memorial Hospital doesn't give the number of physicians. "About Us" has the information needed for this reference. Folklore1 (talk) 17:49, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 22:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Units

  • It says " City 75.1 sq mi (194.6 km2)" and links to 1 E+8 m². I think links to numbers are excessive.
 Done I have no idea what the "area magnitude" purpose is, so I removed it.--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 19:38, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
  • It says "five million gallons". It should say which gallons and provide a conversion. If you use the convert template, it'll do it all for you e.g. look at this in edit mode - 5 million US gallons (19,000 m3)

Lightmouse (talk) 18:31, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done--Crimsonedge34 (talk) 19:38, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Very good. Looks fine to me now. Lightmouse (talk) 20:03, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

I was wondering if anyone knows if the nearby landmark Meers Store hamburger shack should be included. Also, nearby there is a privately owned nature park nearby that stages a Christian passion play. Might that be included? Dr. Jux (talk) 17:34, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Stephen Hillenburg[edit]

Stephen Hillenburg, the creator of sponge bob was born in Lawton.--KF5LLG (talk) 23:10, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

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