Talk:List of Dreamcast homebrew games

Reduced the list to a human size

I've decided to reduce this list to all yet released games in order to have a good overview. Found it quite illogical to have more than 60% of unreleased projects in here, that were never released an some never came out of the early planing stages. For example, GOAT Store Games should have been released two years ago (see [1]) but not even screenshots or further info were released.

Superfx (talk) 19:11, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Requested move 2 May 2016

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The result of the move request was: moved by RM nominator (non-admin closure). SSTflyer 13:04, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

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List of commercially released independently developed Dreamcast games → List of Dreamcast homebrew games – Much more simpler and recognizable name. Homebrew is the main term here, not 'commercially released independently developed'. G&CP (talk) 00:29, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

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Contesting Move

While I agree the title was very long for the page. Independent games and homebrew games are not the same. Bleem was an independent company. It was not associated with a major publisher but it was simply not homebrew.

Also indie games are normally sold commercially. Homebrew games are usually free but can occasionally be sold out of the developers website. Where as a commercial Dreamcast game is typically sold through various online distributors such as Play-Asia who actually published Hucast Ghost blade.

• Right, that's the reason I didn't name the list Dreamcast homebrew in the first place. The reason why I named the article List of commercially released independently developed Dreamcast games is because it's exactly what it says on the tin: they're commercially released, they're independently developed, and they're Dreamcast games. Right now, this list doesn't show that since people have been adding free homebrew like the SQRXZ series and BOR Mods, and that's not the purpose of the list. With the current name, that's bound to happen again since it no longer accurately describes what the list is about after the move. MetaFox (talk) 15:53, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

I agree with you and @Cube b3 (above) as it's definitely misleading. I think I came across this article over a decade ago when I were very much in the DC scene but it's different now, and technically inaccurate. There's another thing too: there is a lot of text in the lead about 'independent' DC games, meaning that this article is no longer just a list. Since your comment is from 5 years ago, I'll try and get attention to this issue now. Sceeegt (talk) 15:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

You're discussing a move that occurred 8 years ago, with two editors who haven't edited Wikipedia in over 5 years. Its probably futile to try to discuss with them. You're better of trying a new discussion and/or a requested move. I'd recommend something better than its pre-2016 title - List of commercially released independently developed Dreamcast games - as its awkward and long. Probably wouldn't pass WP:CONCISE. Sergecross73 msg me 17:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry I did not notice they have been inactive. I have just created a moving request. But as I'm not confident what it should be (and you're very right about it being too long) I have not put a fixed new title. Unfortunately this article looks to have been neglected for a while so will the move discussion attract enough responses? Sceeegt (talk) 18:04, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

You can always leave a message at the Video Games Wikiproject at WT:VG for input from other video game editors. You can link them to this discussion and ask them to comment here. (Just be careful of WP:CANVASS.) I'd recommend that approach at this point. I don't think a move discussion will go well if you don't have a recommendation for the new title. (And the move request targets editors outside of the video game world - likely many people who know little of things like Dreamcasts and homebrew. They may not have game-centric answers for you.) Sergecross73 msg me 19:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks for being helpful. I'll drop a message over there. Yes I do worry about that, users who are not acquainted with video games and the topic (as I guess is currently the case with the Talk:Neo Geo (system) request). Sceeegt (talk) 19:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Just a thought, I've come up with a decent name, "unlicensed", and updated the request. However since doing that, I have come across the article List of Nintendo Entertainment System games and it has a section for unlicensed titles (and also canceled) so an alternative could be merging this homebrew article into List of Dreamcast games. I'm willing to merge it if you think it isn't controversial but otherwise I'm neutral and would let others decide what fits best. Sceeegt (talk) 00:34, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 5 September 2024

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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn, merged. Sceeegt (talk) 21:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

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List of Dreamcast homebrew games → ? – First of all the user above who commented in 2019 is right in saying that the article is not strictly about 'homebrew', so it's incacurate. Secondly, it's not strictly a list anymore as there is a ton of content above it.

I am suggesting maybe a title like Homebrew and independent Dreamcast games but as I'm not sure what it should be I am leaving it open for whatever the community agrees on.

After reflecting on this, I think the title Unlicensed games on Dreamcast (or Unlicensed Dreamcast games) would be perfect. It is relatively short and covers all possible topics (homebrew and/or independently released). Sceeegt (talk) 18:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

I completely agree! I think "Unlicensed" captures the idea of the article much better. I also propose the entire section preceding the list itself should be rewritten completely, since it is redundant and generally not very informative. There's repeating information, biased language, lots of clutter... The list goes on. I could create a draft in my Sandbox. A. Astronomy ♥【💬】 17:58, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Hold up... are any of these actually notable? Can we call a game unlicensed with sources that say so? Or would we be better served merging this into List of Dreamcast games? Red Phoenix ^talk 18:32, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Yep, I actually came to the realization after this merge suggestion (see Contesting Move above). We're probably better off merging into the List article, and that's also what the List of NES games article for example also has. A. Astronomy is also correct in saying that the entire text bit needs to be rewritten, but that can go into the main Dreamcast article, right? List of cancelled Dreamcast games also.

I will probably withdraw this move request and instead make a merge one, unless you think it's uncontroversial and not needed? Sceeegt (talk) 18:46, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

In the last couple of years I’ve merged a lot of unnecessary Dreamcast spinoffs. None of it has been controversial, so I think it should be okay to do boldly unless someone objects. I will tell you I don’t think any of the main text needs to go to Dreamcast - that article already well covers homebrewing and is nearly FA quality - it just needs some touch up and a nomination, something I haven’t had time to do recently. Honestly as well, though, games without a reliable source don’t need copied over unless one can be found. If not even one source from a reliable place even mentions the existence of a game, it’s not notable enough to be on the encyclopedia at all, regardless of whether or not it exists. Red Phoenix ^talk 20:19, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I think all of them need to be sourced indeed, although we'll have to go over each. I think I'll go with your suggestion of doing the merge with the assumption that it isn't controversial (and to be honest I don't think it is, I mean look at the state of this article as it is). Should be complete in a while.

I'll leave List of cancelled Dreamcast games as it is though as I've just seen that others like GameCube and Genesis also have their respective cancelled pages unlike NES. You may merge that yourself if you think it's for the best. Sceeegt (talk) 21:11, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

The cancelled list looks much better sourced. I think that can be left alone for the time being. Red Phoenix ^talk 21:12, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Nice, it's finally been merged just now. I'll close this request and redirect. Sceeegt (talk) 21:16, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

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