Talk:List of dragons in fiction

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King Ghidorah

King Ghidorah is not a combination of a Wyvern and Hydra. It incorporates elements of the Yinglong and Orochi if anything.

Articles like this tend to be saturated it seems by people thinking Hydra and Wyvern are catch all terms for multi-headed and front limbs are wings type dragons in regards to every medium rather than a specific type of dragon and a singular creature; when there are other dragons with wings for arms and multi-heads created independently of the western European Wyvern and Greek mythological Hydra. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:DFC0:C5:455A:B111:2BEB:4C69 (talk) 08:59, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please, people, stop putting Yoshi on this list. He is a dinosaur

YOSHI IS NOT A DRAGON. Please, people, stop putting Yoshi on this list. He is a dinosaur. -- Andre 21:05, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Does Puff count? -- Notheruser 00:22 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I think so. I added him under 'Songs' -- Loren Rosen

If we list "animation" as a separate section together with comics and puppetry, we get ambiguity: Is an animated TV series "animation" or "television"? I have therefore removed it as a separate section. --Eloquence 00:37 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Good call! Should probably do the same on the other fictional animals lists, because I copied this from somewhere. -- Timwi 01:07 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Does the fact that this is a list of "fictional" dragons distinguish it from a list of real dragons? Danny

Apparently this Procrustean bed fits all "animals". There should be a list for each type of animal, not a "fictional" and "non-fictional" list for each. -- Someone else 01:14 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Give me an example of a "real dragon"? -- Timwi 01:20 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Precisely the point. Why is this not "List of dragons"? -- Someone else 01:21 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Beowulf's wyrm could be counted as fictional or mythical, as the epic poem is a recording of Saxon mythology.

Isn't this going to be ridiculously long? I've added some dragons I've read about and it seems that almost every fantasy novel have dragons. --seav 05:08, Sep 9, 2003 (EDT)

Yup, and this should be the webpage you load in order to figure out the dragon's name from Tolkien, instead of the 40 other dragon names you know.

~ender 2003-09-19 23:14:MST

See: List_of_fictional_species

I think this list should be divided up into 'real' (ie: historical) versus acknowledged fantasy references. People in the past have believed that Dragons existed, and thus treated the concept differently than we treat the idea of Tribbles.
~ender 2003-09-19 23:14:MST

Don't we already do this with "Dragons in Legends and Mythology"? Martin 13:18, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Harry potter

Isn't there a dragon or two in that? Mark Richards 17:56, 17 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, several already present in the article under Dragons in Literature:

Norbert, Hagrid's dragon baby in Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone by J.K. Rowling
Various unnamed adult dragons in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling

HTH HAND --Phil | Talk 07:53, May 18, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks! Mark Richards 21:26, 18 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Gordon R. Dickson

Adding the dragons from the Dragon Knight Series by Gordon R. Dickson --Entrprs6 15:23, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

Role-Playing Games

I've gone ahead and added another section, and I realize some people might disagree with that (after reading about why the "animation" section was taken away). My reasoning: Just as there are tons of dragons in fiction (presumably novels), there are tons of dragons in role-playing games. I was worried about the fiction section getting too big. Heck, I added about 30 dragons just from Shadowrun/Earthdawn alone, and those are just the Great Dragons. Fiction and Role-Playing Games are easy enough to differentiate, and in situations where something is a role-playing game AND a novel, like Forgotten Realms or Lord of the Rings, I think that you should decide based on which came first: if it's a novel made from a role-playing game (like the former), then it goes there. Whaddaya think? -- Eisnel 09:24, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I think the RPG-novel situation is a bit more complex than that: many (probably most) RPG tie-in novels, while using the setting of the RPG world, contain plot and characters created specially for the novel, which have never previously appeared in the game itself - in which case it seems to me those characters are "from literature", not "from a role-playing game".
More generally, I think that while it's undeniable that thousands of dragons have appeared in role-playing games, it does not necessarily follow that they all deserve to be individually listed.
--Paul A 07:28, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Are we sure that they shouldn't all be individually listed? In the discussion above, seav asks "Isn't this going to be ridiculously long?", and ender replies "Yup, and this should be the webpage you load in order to figure out the dragon's name from Tolkien, instead of the 40 other dragon names you know." Granted, in most articles (like, for instance, "Dragon"), you wouldn't want to list every single little dragon's name, because there are, as you say, thousands of them. But in a "List of ..." page, I think you really are supposed to list every single one. Isn't that the point of a Wikipedia "List of ..." page? Like the immense List of people by name pages. Regarding what you said about dragons created in novels that are based on role-playing games, I agree that sometimes those might belong in literature... it's a toughy, and should probably be a judgement call. But I really do think this list should be nice and long. And if someone comes here and types "Hestaby", "Blithen", or "Jormungandr", I think they should find something. I also think it's appropriate to list types of dragons, like Dragonlance Amphidragons. But I might be in the minority here, so I'd like to hear what others think. - Eisnel 14:54, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Jabberwock

The Jabberwock is a composite creature, not a dragon. whoever heard of a dragon that uses teeth and not flames? Perhaps we should take it out? --User:mohanravichandran July 23

Not all dragons are capable of breathing fire. --Phil | Talk 13:08, Jul 23, 2004 (UTC)

I'll second that. The dragons' "breath" has been many things in legend, including water and electricity. Some dragons didn't exhale anything other than air. --Zarggg 03:28, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The Jabberwock is not described well enough in the text for us to know what it is. It is commonly depicted as a combination of dinosaur (or dragon) and insect. It has the claws and head of an insect, apparently.92.249.159.157 (talk) 21:33, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Organization?

I think this article could use a little reorganization, personally. I notice there was some comments about it earlier, so here's my ideas. First, I think if animation is going to be noted, then animations should be grouped together as subheadings under "film" and "television"; "animated films" under "film" and something like "animated television shows" under television. The same goes for "TV movies"; they should be grouped in another subheading under "film" if they're going to be noted, I think.

Secondly, each section of the list should probably be alphabetized by the dragons' names for great ~~justice~~ organization. :) So, what say you guys?

Also, two questions. I think the dragons from Animal Planet's new special about dragons should go someplace, but... where? And what do comics have to do with puppetry? --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 06:29, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

I think we really only need three sections: "folklore and mythology", "literature, poetry and comics", and "film and television". "Comics and puppetry" is, I suppose, the "miscellaneous" section. -Sean Curtin

The parenthasised quilifiers bother me a little. I'd much prefer if the dragons with qualifiers were grouped together under a subheading, you see? And we'd probably have to have even more qualifiers under your scheme, so I guess I'll have to respecfully disagree. :) Unless you mean those should be the top level headings? If that's so, I think we'll probably need two, maybe three more: "games", "miscellaneous", and maybe "radio and song". --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 04:22, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)

Nessie the Dragon

Where would Nessie the Dragon fit in this list? I'm not sure a ringtone counts as a song, nor does the video count as a game. --Daniel Lawrence 18:13, 23 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comics and puppetry?

Are any of the dragons listed under "comics and puppetry" actually from puppetry, or are they all from comics? I listed Ollie from Kukla, Fran and Ollie under television because that category appeared earlier in the article, but the character would certainly qualify under puppetry as well. --Metropolitan90 01:15, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Dragon Prince

The series by Melanie Rawn includes various unnamed dragons, however since I feel that these lists should be as complete as possible, I will add them.

Transformer Dragons?

"...various Transformers, notably Megatron..."

I've never heard of this! Can anyone confirm?

--200.59.172.82 18:31, 17 February 2006 (UTC) [User:Andraax][reply]

Media crossovers

I know a dragon from one show that is getting video games on handheld platforms. Should I keep the character at the TV section? -Tracker <small>([[User talk:TrackerTV|>talk)</small>]] 04:03, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Norbert

Norbert from the Harry Potter series under film references a Saint named Norbert and not the Norbert intended. I wasn't sure if there was a reference to the dragon intended somewhere amongst all the Harry Potter articles so if someone more knowledgeable could tend to this, it would be helpful.

Pokémon?

How do we handle Pokémon in these lists of fictional animals? Eh! Steve (talk) 22:25, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Very lengthy descriptions

Some of the descriptions are absurdly detailed, and should be trimmed. We don't need a whole summary of a Godzilla movie, for example, to know the name of a dragon that appeared in that movie. 92.249.159.157 (talk) 21:27, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Merger discussion for List of dragons

List of dragons, an article that may be of interest to readers of this page, has been proposed for merging with List of dragons in popular culture. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 01:07, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This page was renamed to List of dragons in fiction

Page List of dragons was moved to List of dragons in fiction. EchoBlu (talk) 14:35, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup

List of dragons in popular culture and List of dragons in fiction could be merged, I suppose. But really, most of the content on these pages are already listed in List of dragons in literature, List of dragons in film and television, and List of dragons in games. (It looks like the puppets section could be merged to the television list page.) So all of that content should be pruned/merged to those list pages. I also think there is enough info here for the split/creation of List of dragons in comics and animation, as well. And List of fictional dogs#Sporting and advertising mascots appears to show a way forward on how to handle sports team names. - jc37 19:15, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Jc37: Hi, after series of edits, I think it is good time to merge them. I will try to merge them in the best way possible.EchoBlu (talk) 04:35, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merged

This article was merged with List of dragons in popular culture. EchoBlu (talk) 05:56, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page history desynchronization caused by redirection in 13 December 2011

information before reading: Original page name List of dragons was renamed into List of dragons in fiction, and it was finally merged with List of dragons in popular culture

There is Talk:List of dragons in fiction history desynchronization caused by the redirect of Talk:List of dragons to Talk:Lists of dragons, basically merging talk pages of List of dragons and Lists of dragons into the one.

At the end, pages List of dragons in fiction and Lists of dragons shared the same talk page Talk:Lists of dragons, until redirect was removed in 22 December 2019.

As a result, some sections on this talk page are written for Lists of dragons page, including nomination for deletion on January 13, 2007 and nomination for deletion on 27 February 2018

Generally, all three pages were lists of various dragons in fiction, pop culture, literature, film, comics, video games – which finally resulted in merging all content into List of dragons in popular culture and creating list of lists type of page from Lists of dragons.

19 June 2003, Lists of dragons was created, a first list of various dragons on Wikipedia.
5 March 2007, content from Lists of dragons was split into List of dragons in mythology and folklore and List of fictional dragons, leaving original page in the form of index page for the first time. It still wasn't technically list of lists.
8 March 2010, content from List of fictional dragons was moved to List of dragons in literature, List of dragons in film and television, and List of dragons in games, leaving article as an index page of fictional dragons.
14. June 2010, List of fictional dragons was eventually renamed into List of dragons in popular culture. The page was a hybrid of links to various fictional dragons lists and its own sections, continuing to independently expand dragons in comics, puppetry, songs, toys, and sports.
13 December 2011, List of dragons was created as a redirect page for Lists of dragons, as well creating redirect for Talk:List of dragons to Talk:Lists of dragons
27 June 2012, redirect was removed from List of dragons, so it started to expand as an independent page, but they didn't remove redirect from Talk:List of dragons to Talk:Lists of dragons, so basically from that point two articles shared the same talk page.
Focus of List of dragons was on various works of fiction, with content organized in the form of tables and notes for every dragon.
By the year 2018, all three pages – List of dragons, Lists of dragons, List of dragons in popular culture – had evolved into the same direction, expanding their lists, trying to cover all dragon appearances in culture.
28 February 2018, Lists of dragons was reorganized into true list of lists article, the same form it has today. All other content was removed, because it is already covered in List of dragons, List of dragons in popular culture, and List of dragons in mythology and folklore
15 July 2019, it has been suggested that List of dragons be merged with List of dragons in popular culture
24 October 2019, List of dragons was renamed into the List of dragons in fiction, because it had hard focus on literature, comics, film, animation, and video games, organized in tables. But its Talk:List of dragons in fiction kept redirect to the original Talk:Lists of dragons page
In the same period List of dragons in popular culture was hybrid page with various links to the dragons in fiction, but with its own lists focused on music and other things from popular culture such as sport, toys, and theme parks.
31 October 2019, name without article in that moment, List of dragons, was redirected to Lists of dragons, as originally planned in 2011
22 December 2019, redirect from Talk:List of dragons in fiction to Talk:Lists of dragons was removed. Since Talk:Lists of dragons is relatively new established list of lists article, all content from mutual talk page, with discussions about specific dragons, have been moved to List of dragons in fiction, to keep continuity.
23 December 2019, finally List of dragons in fiction was merged to List of dragons in popular culture, because Dragons in fiction was section in the more general article List of dragons in popular culture.

As the result of the last overhaul, in current state we have one list of lists Lists of dragons, only one general page with dragons in fiction, called List of dragons in popular culture, one page about List of dragons in mythology and folklore, as well as specialized lists, such as List of dragons in literature, List of dragons in games, and List of dragons in film and television which actually originated from the original List of dragons in popular culture, called List of fictional dragons back in the day.

List of dragons is now redirect to Lists of dragons, and List of dragons in fiction is now redirect to List of dragons in popular culture so it was consequently removed from the Lists of dragons list of the lists.

EchoBlu (talk) 15:32, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]