Talk:List of spaceflight records

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Inflation of US spaceflight firsts[edit]

Other than landing on the moon, all the important spaceflight firsts were achieved by the Soviets. Adding a bunch of consolation prizes like "first to smash a cup in zero G" is just so weird. Need to clean this up, remove the unsourced firsts, and make sure the firsts are actually relevant and not just patriotic inflation.--70.53.205.79 (talk) 00:40, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Oh, I see what you all did to ruin this beautiful list. You separated animal and unmanned firsts from the main list before adding all the inflation. This is a really messy article that would be far better if it was just "spaceflight firsts", period, including unmanned and animal flights, and if you put that list at the very beginning! Then you can have your time in space stuff and everything else. Article would be far shorter, neater, and clearer. Plus, it wouldn't look like a biased presentation of the situation based on americo-centric patriotism, which is oozing out of it right now.--70.53.205.79 (talk) 00:44, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm very unclear what items you consider to be "inflation", would you mind listing some? Or are there some Soviet records you think are missing? As it stands, 34 human "firsts" are given to the US alone, while 22 are given to the USSR alone. Given that the USSR has not existed for 27 years and did not achieve many of the technical requirements for lunar spaceflight until after Apollo, that balance seems reasonable to me. The duration and spacewalk records are also dominated by Russian and Soviet astronauts. I don't see what is unfair about this. Astrofreak92 (talk) 03:29, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Notable unmanned spaceflights[edit]

No mention of the SpaceX rocket that came back after delivering 11 satellites and landed on its feet? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.60.3.245 (talk) 11:22, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Good point. I certainly agree it is worth referencing. As this page also makes references to notable sub-orbital flights, we should probably also consider the Blue Origin flight as well. Andrewpullin (talk) 14:03, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Countries by time in space table[edit]

This table is badly incorrect as it is using scripts to update the spaceflight time of people who have been back on year for months now. The Netherlands now at 6th should in fact be 10th, for example. The source from the article should be enough to compute the correct current times but I don't know how to handle the function that computes current fliers. Rmhermen (talk) 18:38, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

I know this is an old discussion, but I thought I might shed some light on it. I believe the old script was originally mine. I am a computer programmer by trade, but it was my first go round with Wiki scripting so it was definitely problematic. The original motivation was that with static durations and manual updating, the table was considerably out of date at the time I created the script. Had it gotten regular enough attention I don't know that I would have tackled a script at all. That said, I'm happy just to see it updated, whether by a more well-written script or through more frequent manual updates. aremisasling (talk) 01:02, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
Is someone maintaining this section? Does anyone have the code? I have my own script that was generating similar data using spacefacts.de data, but I am not sure how to perform automated updates of this page... assuming anyone is even interested. Any opinions? I like seeing this data up-to-date, but if no one else cares perhaps it should go for good? Andrewpullin (talk) 18:16, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
I would love to see it up-to-date but I don't understand the method being used to automatically update it. If we can't figure it out, we could go back to a static table with manual updates. Rmhermen (talk) 19:10, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
I can update it using my data, however there is an issue: My numbers are somewhat different... I don't take into account the large number of "dual citizens" as seems to be the case with this data. I use only what is provided on spacefacts.de. For instance, the United Kingdom only has 7.9 days of flight time, as Michael Foale, counted here as a dual citizen, is only recorded as a US citizen in spacefacts.de. I am not sure how the citizenship of the current data is determined / maintained. Andrewpullin (talk) 20:21, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Having data with known source is better than what we have now, so I would say, go ahead and do it that way. Rmhermen (talk) 03:23, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Rank Nation Total person-days
1 Soviet Union USSR / Russia Russia 28,682.00 + *
2 United States USA 21,649.11 + *
4,410.49 +
3 Japan Japan 741.87
4 Germany Germany 493.64
5 France France 433.19
6 NetherlandsNetherlands 2,503.59 +
7 United Kingdom United Kingdom 407.18 *
8 Canada Canada 360.55
9 Italy Italy 261.26
10 Belgium Belgium 207.65
11 Costa Rica Costa Rica 66.76 *
12 China China 57.00
13 Switzerland Switzerland 42.50
14 Hungary Hungary 34.45 *
15 Sweden Sweden 26.74
16 Spain Spain 18.88
17 Israel Israel 15.93
18 Ukraine Ukraine 15.69 *
19 Bulgaria Bulgaria 11.91
20 Malaysia Malaysia 10.885
21 Iran Iran 10.878 *
22 South Korea South Korea 10.875
23 South Africa South Africa 9.893
24 Brazil Brazil 9.888
25 Syria Syria 8.9
26 Afghanistan Afghanistan 8.85
27 Czechoslovakia Czechoslovakia 7.93
28 Austria Austria 7.928
29 Poland Poland 7.919
30 Slovakia Slovakia 7.914
31 India India 7.903
32 Cuba Cuba 7.863
33 Mongolia Mongolia 7.863
34 Vietnam Vietnam 7.862
35 Romania Romania 7.862
36 Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia 7.069
37 Mexico Mexico 6.878
As of November 19, 2012
+ and counting
* Dual citizens counted under both nationalities.

Nation Space Stats Update[edit]

This is discussion related to the new table in the List_of_spaceflight_records#Total_human_spaceflight_time_by_country section (table has been removed to reduce clutter now that it is back in the article) Andrewpullin (talk) 14:35, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Here is quick output from my own script. It uses data from spacefacts.de just like the previous version. However this one automatically determines which astronauts are currently in space and adds their time in space to the nation stats. Let me know what you think. I still have lots of tweaking to do, not to mention figuring out how to get a bot to keep it uptodate... Andrewpullin (talk) 21:06, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

I would limit it to two decimal places, and as in the old table, combine Russia/USSR (which seems to use the same data) and replace UN which has no space program with ESA which does. Rmhermen (talk) 21:33, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
Yep, those things were already on my todo list. I'll post an update soon. If you have any other ideas, let me know. Andrewpullin (talk) 01:01, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
Anyone have any comments on my most recent update? I'm still working on a way to automate the update process, but for now I can start manually keeping it up-to-date if people think it is ready to go live... Andrewpullin (talk) 22:32, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
The percent of total column has a button for sorting which doesn't work. I know you can make a row non-sortable but I don't think you can remove it from a column. Perhaps a hidden value could be added to make it function (at the expense of more work each update). Any ideas? Rmhermen (talk) 03:22, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
I have updated the last column with a hidden div with the percentages. It now sorts like the other fields. I will also be adding a proper citation to this table. Other than that, any more changes? Andrewpullin (talk) 04:22, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
I basically have a bot working now to do the updates automatically. What kind of update schedule will we want for this? Daily? Weekly? Andrewpullin (talk) 04:22, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Status Update: Andrewpullin (talk) 14:15, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I have the bot (User:SpaceFactsBot under trial for approval BRFA (Bots: Request for approval). Sorry for the delay but the BRFA has been busy so it took a little while for them to move me to trial. Here are some details:
Request for approval page: Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval#SpaceFactsBot
Bot Page: User:SpaceFactsBot
Trial Location: User:SpaceFactsBot/sandbox
Shutdown Information:
SpaceFactsBot will always look for the following identifier tags for the table. So if you ever find the bot is failing, simply remove these lines from around the table and it will stop updating it (and generate an error message that will go to me):
<!-- BotStart:SpaceFactsBot:TotalHumanSpaceFlightByNation -->
<!-- BotEnd:SpaceFactsBot:TotalHumanSpaceFlightByNation -->
I am also looking into the formal emergency shutdown procedures for the bot (right now the emergency shutdown button on the User:SpaceFactsBot page may not be working...
Update Andrewpullin (talk) 21:25, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Anyone have any comments on the following issues:
If my bot is approved, can I go ahead and engage it on this site (approval should come in 4-5 days if trial finishes successfully)? (I will take no comments as an assent)
There are several other tables and statistics on this site derived from spacefacts.de that are also somewhat out of date. Does anyone have any problem with me adapting my bot to update those records as well?
Update Andrewpullin (talk) 14:35, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
The trial was successful, and I have been approved for a live 3 day trial on the page. I have setup the table on this wiki page. It will be getting update around 5:01 AM UTC every day. I will also test it today to make sure the system starts okay.
NOTE: I am removing the table from this talk section as it is not really needed here any more and just adding to the clutter.
Update Andrewpullin (talk) 18:07, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Had a bug in my flight matching. The bot was confusing soyuz flights with similar names. It should be corrected now
Update Andrewpullin (talk) 19:22, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Another bug that I noticed, it was not showing "in orbit" statistics for Chinese launches (Taikonauts). It was due to the Shenzhou launches being saved with decimal (Arabic) numbers in the flight reference, but saved with Roman numerals in the astronaut reference! Unfortunately I can not change the source data. I have implemented a conversion between the Roman/Arabic flight numbers to solve the problem.
Update Andrewpullin (talk) 03:24, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Minor update to add the names of the astronauts currently in orbit to the bottom of the table
Update Andrewpullin (talk) 17:28, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Updated SpaceFactsBot to save the table to a template instead as suggested by User:Djr13. The main advantage of this is that it removed the daily update noise that SpaceFactsBot adds to the history of the article. This should make it easier for people to find more substantive changes, instead of being overwhelmed by the daily SpaceFactsBot updates. See this User_talk:Andrewpullin#SpaceFactsBot_and_embedded_tables talk section for our discussion.
If anyone has a problem with this change, just add on to the discussion here and we can see how best to proceed. Andrewpullin (talk) 17:28, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Highest altitude for manned non-lunar mission[edit]

Is it possible to expand this Part in the Article? I mean a real Top-Ten/Twenty-List that is differentiated by elliptical and (nearly) circular Orbits, i mean differentiated by Apogee-Orbit-Altitude and Median-Orbit-Altitude. Exist anywhere a List with exact Information about this Kind of Spacefight Records?
Thanks Erik --2003:ED:F7FF:36A4:D409:EA9:FA40:C945 (talk) 17:50, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Total time in space needs a better source[edit]

The Total Time in Space section is inaccurate primarily because the source itself is inaccurate. Spacefacts.de doesn't just infrequently update, several of their entries are demonstrably incorrect. The most notable, at present, are the Entries for Scott Kelly and Gennady Padalka, which list them as having significantly less time in space than they have accrued. Kelly in particular is listed as having only 180 days in space when he has spent more time than that on this ISS mission alone. I've made an effort to resolve it myself, but am unable to find a better source at the moment with a top list. Records may have to be updated individually similar to List of the verified oldest people. aremisasling (talk) 00:42, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi aremisasling, spacefacts.de doesn't update the total time in space until the astronauts return to earth. The list below ("Total human spaceflight time by country") is updated by my SpaceFactsBot which adds up the totals for astronauts, and then calculates the running totals for those that are in space, based on when they launched. I haven't programmed an extension to SpaceFactsBot to automatically update the "Total time in space" section, though I process all the data... There just wasn't much demand as - until recently - it was quite rare for an active astronaut in the top-50 overall to actually go on a space flight. Anyway, I can certainly do this if there is a desire for it from the community. Also, if a better database can be found that is accessible, I can certainly switch. However, other than the fact they sometimes have a brief lag after a landing before they update records, I find the guys at spacefacts.de do a pretty good job for a couple armchair enthusiasts. They do get the exact times from NASA, Chinese and Roscomos databases (in some manual way)... so the times should be accurate, if slightly delayed. Andrewpullin (talk) 20:01, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
I am also wondering if that section should have a more descriptive and consistent title, such as "Record human spaceflight time by individuals", or something similar. Anyone have suggestions? Andrewpullin (talk) 20:08, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
That makes a lot of sense. I hadn't worked out the system by which they updated their page so it looked to me like they were just very out of date and inconsistently so. With that clarification I have no particular issue with continuing to use them as a source. I was actually pretty disappointed when it first appeared they were inaccurate. They have such a rich and detailed dataset it would have been tough to replace. Since it's pretty rare that that section is updated, I don't think there's a major need to script it, unless you're feeling motivated. It may be good to update it in the interim based on other news sources, particularly for the long duration missions. I can do that when I have a moment. aremisasling (talk) 17:46, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
I will look into this a bit further... might be worth updating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.27.116 (talk) 19:56, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, forgot to sign that comment. Andrewpullin (talk) 03:04, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Extension of SpaceFactsBot to Handle Total Time in Space Record Table[edit]

I am going to formally request approval for a extension of SpaceFactsBot to also update data in this table. I will keep everyone posted on the progress Andrewpullin (talk) 03:04, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
I have created a sandbox for my bot code to do some Beta testing. You can check it out here: SpaceFactsBot sandbox Andrewpullin (talk) 15:15, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
I just tried an extra feature that includes the top 50 space flyers, but then also checks everyone with over 100 days in space and finds the top space flyer for a particular country. This will make the table a little more informative be adding those individuals. I could also do this for ALL space flyers (not just with 100 days or more), but that would mean a lot of people with just short flights (shuttle flights typically), and that seems to not really keep to the spirit of "long" duration space flyers. Anyway, I would like some feedback on this idea... (check the above sandbox link for details) Andrewpullin (talk) 15:31, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
I like it! The table needs to be able to show Soviet/Russian for astronauts that straddled the fall of the USSR, as well as indicating that some of the retired astronauts are deceased. It should also be clear in the table's presentation what the extra people on the bottom are there for. Astrofreak92 (talk) 17:46, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
We never ended up adding this feature to space facts bot, did we? I'm just going to remove the accuracy tag from that section as the user that added it in the first place acknowledged that they were mistaken. Astrofreak92 (talk) 02:09, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
After much delay, I've found some time to start working on this by adapting User:SpaceFactsBot to handle this table as well. I currently have it updating the following template so that it can easily be inserted in this page (and other pages if required), while not adding to the "noise" in the history of the page (as we did for the other SpaceFactsBot Table). Template:Record_human_space_flight_by_individuals. I still have two major issues to deal with before it goes live. 1) Create redirect pages from their full names (as they appear on spacefacts.de) to their wikipedia pages... they do not all currently match. 2) figure out a good way to keep track of who has officially retired and who is deceased, as spacefacts.de is not keeping that up-to-date, particularly for those who are deceased... So, should we just continue sending updates to the spacefacts.de folks (who have been fairly quick when I have sent them updates in the past), or do I create some mechanism to track that separately, such as a "deceased" template that my code can check. Any thoughts are appreciated. Andrewpullin (talk) 05:30, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Someone added this template to the main page (essentially duplicating the table). It was done by an anonymous user. Was there a reason for that? I had intended that template as testing until the community had agreed it was ready to go live. Here is the revision in question. Anyone have any feedback on this? Andrewpullin (talk) 14:29, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
I don't think there was a reason for it, someone was just overly enthusiastic. The template looks good, if you can get the full name and career status issues resolved! Astrofreak92 (talk) 15:33, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
The career status should now get resolved once all the full names redirect to their individual wiki pages. My script checks those pages for the {{Infobox astronaut}} and checks the status or death_date parameters. The one other problem I have is nationality. SpaceFactsBot gets the nationality from spacefacts.de (as indicated in the Country Totals table further down). However, this is known to be somewhat out of date at times. Unfortunately, it is not trivial to get this information from their wiki page, as the nationality parameter is sometimes of the form American, or sometimes United States (to site an example). So either I would need to build a translation table and try to find all the various nationalities used by astronauts of many different nations (converting them to country codes), or we need to go through all these wiki pages and make it consistent. Alternatively, I could just post it as is, with the disclaimer that it is based on the spacefacts.de info... but I have a feeling that will ruffle feathers. Any thoughts? Andrewpullin (talk) 05:10, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

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