Talk:List of terrorist incidents in December 2018

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To be included on this stand-alone list, each entry should meet the following list criteria (see discussion):

The incident is notable
The incident has a corresponding stand-alone Wikipedia article
The consensus of reliable sources describe the incident as "terrorism"

Manchester stabbing (31 Dec 2018)

Currently no conviction, or even charge, has been made in relation to this, so it cannot be asserted in Wkipedia's voice that it was a terrorist incident (see WP:BLPCRIME, WP:WIKIVOICE and WP:VER). -- DeFacto (talk). 15:47, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is true that the police have said that they are treating this as a terrorism investigation, but until we see the results of their investigation we do not know whether it will turn out to actually be one. For now, per WP:BLPCRIME, we cannot assert that is was. -- DeFacto (talk). 16:45, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The incident has already been confirmed to be terrorism by the authorities. Similar to the Strasbourg attack, which was confirmed to be terrorism the day after it happened and with perpetrator still at large. WP:BLPCRIME doesn't add up with that incident as the suspect was shot and killed and thus no conviction was possible. WP:BLPCRIME is suitable when there is no clear evidence whether a person is responsible or not. But in case with this stabbing attack where the suspect was arrested on the scene with a knife and with the mentioning of terrorism by the authorities WP:BLPCRIME doesn't add up here. JBergsma1 (talk) 17:51, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@JBergsma1: the incident has not been confirmed as terrorism, it has been confirmed that police are treating this as a terrorism investigation, but until we see the results of their investigation we do not know whether it will turn out to actually be terrorism. WP:BLPCRIME applies to all living suspects and specifically states: "A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law". There hasn't ben a court case yet. -- DeFacto (talk). 20:26, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think that waiting for a conviction is too restrictive. If that standard was used on all the items in the article and similar articles about terrorism in particular months then almost all of the entries would be removed. As it is, we don't set the standard that high, which means that there is a consensus of sorts for the current interpretation of the policies and guidelines. Sjö (talk) 19:58, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Sjö: are you suggesting we ignore the Wikipedia policy on this? -- DeFacto (talk). 20:27, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm saying that I don't agree with your interpretation, and that I agree with JBergsmal. You are aware that if we apply your interpretation (that a conviction is necessary) we will have to remove almost all of the incidents in terror-related articles? Sjö (talk) 20:45, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As we seem to have reached an impasse here, I've asked at WT:Biographies of living persons if anyone there wants to contribute to this discussion. -- DeFacto (talk). 20:56, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why have you not followed Wiki policy for all the other despicable attacks? Many cases there have never recieved any conviction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.174.115.106 (talk) 22:59, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RfC: terrorist incidents list criteria

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of terrorist incidents#RfC: List criteria. – Levivich 18:02, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]