Talk:Liz Mair

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Mair Photo

The Liz Mair photo was used with her permission and is from her official Twitter account. Liz Mair is the sole owner and the photographer (this is a "selfie" portrait). PNW Raven (talk)

The image is claimed for use as non-free content and fails WP:NFCC#1 as a free photo of the subject could be taken. -- Whpq (talk) 15:21, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I re-added the photo so the file will not be deleted as an "orphan." The issue seemed to be that it needed the permission of the photographer rather than the subject for use in the Wiki article. Liz Mair has clarified that she is the subject "and" photographer and is the sole owner of the photo and has given permission for its use. If I need to revise the status of the use of the photo on the file page, I will gladly do so, but I'm unsure what is needed. Please advise if necessary, as I'm confused over the rather complicated policy regarding photos.PNW Raven (talk)

Liz Mair, who is the photographer of the photo (a selfie) that is being used in the article, has submitted a Declaration of Consent form to Wikipedia for the use of her photo. The photo was added to meet Wikipedia's request to have an image of the subject in the Info Box.PNW Raven (talk) 19:49, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have re-added the Liz Mair photo. Liz Mair has submitted a Consent form for the photo's use. She is the photographer and the copyright holder. I have added the Wiki Ticket Number that was issued by Wikipedia in response to the Consent form submission. I have cropped the photo to reduce the pixel size. The photo was added to meet Wikipedia's request to have a photo of the article's subject. If there is anything additional I need to do, please let me know.PNW Raven (talk) 19:10, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Article Content

My work on this article has only been in formatting the page and adding the pre-written content. I have not written, edited, or contributed in any way to any of the text. Except for being a Democrat, I do not promote or have any affiliation to any person or organization listed in this article other than a casual acquaintance with the subject. I have recommended to the author(s) that the article content should be further expanded in a continued neutral tone and fact-based manner to meet Wiki standards.PNW Raven (talk)

I am addressing the claim that "a major contributor appears to have a close connection with the subject." I am not a major contributor to this article, nor I do not have a "close" connection to the subject. I have a casual acquaintance with Liz Mair through another person I know who lives on the opposite coast from me (I live on the west coast) and who I seldom see. I was contacted by this person because she knew I edited on Wikipedia. I was asked if I could assist with formatting the page and adding additional fact-based content, which I did not write, nor do I know who authored it. I agreed as this gave me an opportunity to learn some additional technical skills ( setting up article sections, adding info box, adding photo, etc). The article was rated a "stub-class" and a notification asked for it to be improved. I also openly sought technical advice from Wikipedia on how to get a photo of the subject approved, and I passed on that information. From the beginning, I stated to Wikipedia, openly and multiple times, including on this Talk Page, that I have absolutely NO participation whatsoever in the writing or formulating of the editorial content. I agreed to only help format the page and made it clear I would not contribute to the editorial content due to conflict of interest issues. I have no affiliation with any other person or organization mentioned in this article, other I am a Democrat. Liz Mair is a Republican.PNW Raven (talk) 13:24, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As of March 19th, Liz Mair became considerably more "notable" due to Rep. Devin Nunes' law suit against Twitter and several Twitter users, including Liz Mair. This is being reported on all national news media platforms and involves free speech rights.PNW Raven (talk) 13:32, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This person is being sued by Rep. Devin Nunes, how is she not "notable?"

This person is being sued by Rep. Devin Nunes, how is she not "notable?" Also, she's an op-ed writer for the New York Times. ---- — Preceding unsigned comment added by MAS1978 (talk • contribs) 00:54, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah there’s not a lot of info about why she is named as a co-defendent in that lawsuit. There are many many political staffers in the world who have done far more than she and don’t have their own wiki articles. This article was just promotional material before I reorganised it. In the interest of “making [wikipedia] awesome” please add additional citations that back up her notability and are not her own website and/or biased self-promotion. Cheers.Locochoko (talk) 03:21, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree more citations are needed to improve the article and had recommended that the authors do that (based on what other editors noted on the page) as well as enhance the overall article, as the new, in-progress content was still sketchy. Most likely the news media will report more details about why Mair and others were named co-defendants in what many consider an unmerited lawsuit initiated by a U.S. Representative, though qualifying or quantifying why anyone is named in a high-profile lawsuit seems a weak and irrelevant argument in regards to a Wiki page's validity.

I'm also unclear what is the "notability" criteria to warrant a Wiki page. My neighbor has a Wiki page. He works in the maritime industry and is virtually unknown publicly compared to Mair, though about equally significant in his field. Another neighbor, a mountain climber now deceased, also has a page. My former boss has a Wiki page. A former teacher has a page. I've met others with pages. People I know are mentioned in Wiki articles. (I will not divulge names.) None are well-known outside their fields or covered in the national news. It is also a mis-characterization (and demeaning) to refer to Mair as a "political staffer" being as she owns and heads her own political and communications consulting firm and is a sought-after political commentator. There may be other notable political pundits and operatives without a Wiki page, but I assume it is because no one has bothered to create one.PNW Raven (talk) 03:33, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The first paragraph of this article appears HIGHLY defamatory

It looks like someone went in and maliciously edited it. The text should probably be changed back to whatever it was before.

December 2020 Tweet

This item doesn’t seem noteworthy enough for a Wikipedia article. WallyParadise (talk) 01:08, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I removed it. Marquardtika (talk) 02:24, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Notability tag

A notability tag was added to the account in January 2021, without the reason or remedy.

I have worked on the article, improving sources, adding or clarifying content, and adding sources where there were none. Based on the "keep" decision in 2019 and her role in presidential campaigns and as a political and communications strategist / consultant - I think sufficient notability has been shown.

If there's a disagreement, though, this is a great place to work out what else may be needed. I have found about 1,100 newspaper articles in newspapers.com - albeit a number of these will be articles she authored - but I think sufficient to help strengthen the article if given some areas to focus on for improvement.–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:30, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

UK citizenship

She states on twitter that she is indeed a UK citizen. Obviously that's a primary source and not ideal, but it's probably uncontroversial background info, and seems better than the current "dunno and dun have a source" note. Otherwise that would be better off just being removed entirely as a self-failing verification. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 19:29, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]