Talk:Lord Asriel

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Major tidy[edit]

I've done some minor tidying today, but feel that much more is called for (across all HDM pages unfortunately). Specifically the speculation about the name seems muddled and over-speculative and the 'History' and 'Asriel and Mrs C' sections are virtually repeats ... Help appreciated!Pincrete (talk) 16:25, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

James Bond[edit]

Both Timothy Dalton (License to Kill, Living Daylights) and Daniel Craig (Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace) have portrayed James Bond and Lord Asriel. Weird? 74.12.6.138 (talk) 12:37, 6 May 2008 (UTC) Joe Caron

Brytain?[edit]

Can anyone verify whether the country is actually spelled "Brytain" in the books? As far as I can recall it's spelled "Britain", but I don't have access to the books at the moment. Milk.hermit 03:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Surname?[edit]

Since he's Lyra's father, can we credit his second name as "Belacqua"? Romarth 15:57, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

But he is supposed to be Lyra's uncle. Even then, one might expect the last names to agree, but I always assumed that the last name was part of the same fictitious backstory that had Lyra's "real" parents dying in a tragic arctic accident. In any case, since he is a lord, Asriel might actually be the surname. See, for example Lord Byron or Lord Churchill. --ubiquity 14:30, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Beware of Original Research[edit]

We are not allowed to draw conclusions in Wikipedia. We are allowed only to present facts that are either obvious or supported by reliable sources. The "Naming" section of this article currently talks about possibilities and things that might be the case, which looks very much like original research.

We are allowed to present things like the meaning of "Asrael" in Hebrew, but we must let the reader draw their own conclusions unless we have reliable sources to support our conclusions. Unless we know for a fact that Asriel's name is derived from "Asrael" in Hebrew, then we must not say it explicitly.

I could correct that issue myself by modifying the statement to avoid the speculation, and I was about to do that, but I realized that the part about Jacob is rather convoluted and I'm not sure how to remove the speculation while keeping the facts from that one. -- Lilwik 08:14, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Asriel.jpg[edit]

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BetacommandBot 13:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

there are things that look like quotes but aren't shown as such

Cause and reason for death[edit]

On Mrs. Coulter's page it says the cause and reason for her dying, he died the same way, so I'm gonna add,i see no reason on why it couldn't be on there.Ultimaterasengan (talk) 02:34, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Movie pictures[edit]

I think that pictures of the actors from the films should be in the adaptations section of the article, not the infobox, in the manner of Lord of the Rings characters (Elrond, Frodo, etc.) I know that the Harry Potter characters have the film actors in the infoboxes, and while I don't agree with that either, I'm more interested in HDM. Besides, while Rowling has been fairly involved with the HP movies, some of which were made while her books were being written, Pullman (though he did advise the TGC crew) has been much more explicit about not confusing the movie with the books. Viz:

I think the story will survive. I would be sorry if there was a law which said every time a film comes out the book or books on which it was based had to be withdrawn. As James M Cain replied when asked if he minded what had been done to one of his books: 'They've done nothing to my book, it's there on the shelf.'[1]
[Pullman] was keen never to be officially employed by the film company: "It means I can tell them to bugger off."[2]

Not to mention the fact that it looks as though we won't have any Will Parry performance to match with the other principal characters.

HP aside, HDM, like LotR is first and foremost a literary work. Putting one adaptation's pictures in infoboxes is therefore, IMO, inappropriate.Mdiamante (talk) 13:08, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

After Death[edit]

Did Lord Asriel really become a ghost after his death. I always assumed that the abyss annilated, body and soul, anyone who fell into it, becuase one of them said something about "not coming back" (Plus, the only source for that is something called Srafpeidia, and I thought there was something in the rules about not citing other wikis) Library Seraph (talk) 18:50, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Um actually, I've re-read The Amber Spyglass and I realize now: when you fall into the abyss, your spirit can never make it to the land of the dead, and you just keep falling forever. I think what threw me was this line from Mrs. Coulter (page 362 of my Laurel-leaf edition): "...We won't live, will we? We won't survive like the ghosts?" I apologize for wasting your time, and I will read more carefully next time. Library Seraph (talk) 20:56, 1 July 2009 (UTC)