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I merged 'Varieties of Malay' here, since they weren't all varieties of Malay. However, with a bit of cleanup, this might fit better in Malay languages. — kwami (talk) 2009 March 24

The distinction between Malayan and Malay (or Malayan and Malayic) is dubious. Anyone have a better idea? — kwami (talk) 22:45, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pontianak Malay

http://www.ling.hawaii.edu/ldtc/languages/pontianak_malay/

Rajmaan (talk) 02:30, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sambas Malay Language

http://www.misterpangalayo.com/2012/03/bahasa-melayu-sambas.html

Sayundi (talk) 15:40, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comparison

Looks like the original editor intended to illustrate the difference where Indonesian would use bisa where Malaysian would use boleh. Indonesian would use bisa for "can" as in "to be able to" and boleh for "may" as in "to be allowed/permitted to". Malaysian would use boleh for both. Thus the example "May I go with you?" used for comparison here is not really appropriate as both varieties would use boleh.

60.241.117.6 (talk) 11:27, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Should this be merged into "Malay language"?

Except Nothofer (1988), there is hardly any mention of a "Malayan" subgroup within Malayic studies. At best, this grouping is paraphyletic and does not form a single innovation-defined clade. The relationships between various isolects listed here remain unclear. The whole article is almost certainly original research, full with neologisms and spurious subdivisions (Para-Malay, Aboriginal Malay?) which, I guarantee, are unattested in any linguistic work on the field. And for the sake of God, who in the world came up with that sentence comparison? I would rather delete this whole BS and redirect it to Malay language; perhaps adding #Varieties or something like that. Any other discussion about the classification or cross-comparison of these varieties should better be done in the Malayic languages article. Masjawad99^💬 11:21, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Masjawad99: The information in this article is clearly obsolete, but not necessarily spurious. Malayan, Aboriginal Malay, and Para-Malay still appear in 2005 in the 15th edition of the Ethnologue. Aboriginal Malay and Para-Malay were used for Malayic-speaking groups that do not identify as ethnic Malays. Given the current state of research, I agree to divide the content of this article (at least its useful parts) to the articles Malay language and Malayic languages, then redirect (preferably to Malayic languages). The comparison tables are not worth keeping, after ten years of unreferenced blossom in Wikipedia (WP is full of stuff like this!). –Austronesier (talk) 13:33, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Austronesier: In my defense, at least those groups were never intended to be genetic hahaha. I agree, the Malayic languages article is perhaps a better target for redirect. Masjawad99^💬 21:01, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]