Talk:Mandalika International Street Circuit

Copying within Wikipedia

This new article has been established by Rinda Fergiawan by copying content from Mandalika (resort area)#Racing circuit to here, without any attribution in the edit summary or Talk pages. This is contrary to Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. This new article was estabished 26 September, and carries a reference added by myself, still with the date as 3 September. The history of Mandalika (resort area) will need to be consulted for attribution of some content which has been pasted-in. Content has subsequently been deleted/transferred since this new article was established, and the section heading was changed from Mandalika (resort area)#Mandalika International street circuit to Mandalika (resort area)#Racing circuit.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 21:04, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Fixed Kaliper1 (talk) 12:07, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

BRD

New editor BnTAA has been making changes, and is now deleting sourced content. I believe the content I have added is entirely germane to the history of this circuit, which is zero - nothing, no races.

The postponed races show that the organisers got it wrong. Please explain how a new user feels confident in deleting sourced content which people need to know.

Now explain why this is not a lede issue, worthy of prominence.

Wikipedia is WP:NPOV, not a fanzine. It needs to be reported accurately.

Many drive-by editors have been trying to big-up this venture with nonsense and broken English.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 15:11, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Mandalika's History

In this article, there is a claim that the circuit has been built since 2015, but I can't find any Indonesian or International sources that say so. the earliest mention of Mandalika International Circuit I can find is from early 2017, where it mentions that "the Circuit will be built..", implying that work hasn't even started yet. [1]

I found another article from October 2017 that mentions a date: early 2018.[2] Can you guys find something else of value? Klrfl (talk) 13:43, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

You are probably correct Klrfl. I didn't write this part - (Indonesian IP - assume good faith), but the text actually reads "This circuit has been under construction since 2015." That is entirely different to what you wrote above has been built since 2015.

I would anticipate that some surveying, ground-clearance and landscaping (bulldozing) could have been done earlier, as the area is integrated with a tourism development and it is alleged that regular roads are used, in part. It's difficult to know how a price to deliver the circuit could be quoted without significant investment in preliminary activities, considering possibly jungle-like conditions. The original article when I first edited it in March 2021 (before the new article was split-off) was at this permalink. --Rocknrollmancer (talk) 15:28, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Oh yes, the text actually reads "under construction", not "built" like I said. But if there is no source that says something along the lines of the article, it can be categorized into original research, no? What if I delete it? Klrfl (talk) 23:24, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Normally, it would be tagged as {{citation needed}} with a date; the prose was added only a few months ago, and sometimes they can stay for years. I would not object to re-writing this part deleting what I have shown as strikethrough, and using what sources are available:

This circuit has been under construction since 2015, which was inaugurated by the President of Indonesia, Joko Widodo.

I see the President has had another ride around.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 01:16, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

All right then. I will rewrite the article with the lap Mr Jokowi did around Mandalika. Klrfl (talk) 09:17, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

References

Indonesian IPs changing infobox content

The LinkedIn website for Mrk1 Consulting states:

The last five weeks have been extraordinary for the Mrk1 Consulting team. Our track in Indonesia, Mandalika International Circuit hosted its inaugural event with the finale of the 2021 World Superbikes Championship. Mandalika was developed, designed and operated by Mrk1 in partnership with RoadGrip and Driven International.

Indonesian IPs keep changing the 'Architect' infobox paramenter to Populous. Their website states "Lombok MotoGP And Convention Centre Lombok, Indonesia". This appears to be a building development within the complex - I cannot see any mention or claim to designing the circuit.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 00:04, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

They're probably copy-and-pasting from Indonesian Wikipedia, as the other circuit articles in Indonesian Wiki is vandalized that way (changing infos to Mandalika Circuit's info). I'll change the architect, thanks. Klrfl (talk) 06:07, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

History and Progress section, quite similar

I think they should be merged because they are too similar to be divided. What do you guys think? Klrfl Talk! 02:18, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose I think that would create a text-wall. I am not in favour of big sections. I have been watching the re-surfacing updates - most of these have been very promotional to those involved, mentioning airport runways, the very best of people, the best machinery, cleaning the dirt left after the flooding which cancelled the second Superbike race, etc., so I have not included this as Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and needs to be neutral point of view, not for promoting businesses that are involved in motor sport circuits.

  This article has been split-off the main article, and it will keep developing, so I think the headed sections will be useful in future. I have also been watching the smaller number of spectators (60,000), and the discounted entrance fees, and the seated grandstand (50,000?). It is all very rushed. This detail will need to be added in future when established, so could go under the Progress heading. Thank you.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 03:22, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

WP:BRD

Bold Revert Discuss.

Apeiro94 has changed an edit I made where I moved a non-existent future race meeting to a lower place within the order in the infobox. Please explain your justification for this. The edit summary was "minor improvements", which does not explain what changes were made, and why.

I think I made an important positive change, and I have again changed this to read that this future event should be placed in a less-prominent position. I have also made changes to the lede and de-emboldened the race that has not yet happened, putting it under a "Future" heading. --Rocknrollmancer (talk) 12:25, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Please stop edit warring and respond here, Apeiro94.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 17:06, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Street circuit

Just to confirm that this is not a street circuit, which are configured around city-centre streets and buildings. This is explained in the lede: "We've always said that we don't race in a street circuit..."

The Indonesian government are trying to build up the area into a new resort like Bali. They are responsible for the name.

The Indonesian government is attempting to turn the remote island of Lombok, more than 800 miles from the capital city Jakarta, into another version of the popular tourist resort of Bali one island over. But there is plenty of work to be completed before that vision is realised, meaning it is difficult to see how an F1 race can be achieved there in the near future.

The new circuit was originally billed as a street race, with the track layout connecting a network of luxury bungalows and five-star hotels along the near-10 miles of coastline bought up by the government as part of the development scheme.

So far, though, barely any of that construction work has started, leaving the track virtually isolated in a rural province that struggled with hotel and flight availability for its inaugural MotoGP weekend. Some teams faced a commute of three hours a day to the island’s capital of Mataram just to find suitable accommodation.

References

--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 23:27, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't know mate, Indonesian media always refers to Mandalika as a street circuit, although I never believe them cause they're full of crap (sorry). So which one are we going to believe? In the Indonesian Wiki it roughly says this: "This circuit is claimed to have a street circuit concept.." Klrfl Talk! 03:40, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

This is En-Wiki, and the street circuit article states: "A street circuit is a motorsport racing circuit composed of temporarily closed-off public roads of a city, town or village, used in motor races. Airport runways and taxiways are also sometimes part of street circuits". For a 1980s race, see Birmingham Superprix.

Mandalika is a controlled-area (the fencing can be seen in File:Turn 10 Mandalika International Circuit.jpg, with shacks beyond) - I assume there are security guards. It was created by bulldozing jungle - I saw a youtube video from a local and it was just a dust road. There are no city streets, intersections, skyscrapers or warehouses, like those that can be seen at Circuit de Monaco or Macau Grand Prix.

We on En wiki have to use the name, but I have been bold (WP:BOLD, and WP:NOW) by removing the internal wikilink to street circuit as it is, IMO, inappropriate and misleading to the readers.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 22:05, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Formula One car racing

Just to confirm following IP changes that this circuit has not been assessed by the FIA, and it is suggested that the gravel traps near to the track edges are not compliant. These would need to be replaced by hard run off, and further hard-development possibly including pit/garages would be needed. I cannot find better sources, but if there are any future substantial announcements, the article can be expanded at that time.(subscription required)

References

--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 20:53, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

CNN Indonesia carried a report asserting that a minimum-standard medical centre must be provided, stocked with advanced medical equipment, approved pharmaceticals and expert medical staff with surgical, trauma and resuscitation skills. Disabled-person (wheelchair) access to circuit facilities, an automatic signalling system for marshals, and extensive used-tyres for the track barriers were also needed before homologation could be achieved. Rocknrollmancer (talk) 01:35, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

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