Talk:Mat Zemlya

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Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved. R'n'B (call me Russ) 10:35, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mother Earth (deity) → Mat Zemlya — There are alot of Mother Earth dieties, this should redirect to the disambiguation page Mother Earth. 65.93.13.60 (talk) 04:43, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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In that I can't see a single verifiable statement that is factual in the entire article, perhaps it should instead be deleted? There's a lot of hearsay there that could be encyclopedic if sourced, but the one cited source is a US$34 fee just to see it and doesn't even look all that reliable from outside, a bit hard to tell, but not a satisfactory citation in any case. The four versions of the article in other languages are similarly unsourced, one quoting the same for-fee article, the others no citations at all.

I also note it's been moved before. Andrewa (talk) 07:03, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just move it. It's a silly title and certainly not the content I'd expect to see when typing in "Mother Earth (deity)". Disambiguation is appropriate. Nightw 20:55, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't think it should be moved. As the nature of the article, in that it describes a belief system of an important population group, the Slavs, prior to their Westernization (one size fits all) involves a large segment of the West's population (as part of their behavioral heredity), it may have important threads that lead to modern cultural practices. While the trend in global thought is to replace all antecedents with simplified Western thought, making it look like a single thread, it is not an appropriate explanation for how things have actually occurred. As such I will see if I can add to this article by finding some historically-based sources of knowledge. At the moment I have only found New Age goddess "research" which is about as historically accurate as personal testimonials of aliens from distant solar systems...Stevenmitchell (talk) 18:05, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The proposal is to merge Zemes-mãte and Mat Zemlya. Both are the same Slavic deity. USchick (talk) 02:37, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Zemes-mãte is a Baltic goddess, not Slavic. The Slavs and the Balts are two separate ethno-linguistic groups, though they have a lot in common. Nimbie95 (talk) 23:37, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"oldest deity in Slavic mythology, her identity later blended into that of Mokosh" Well, in fact, the identity and functions of Mokosh are still disputed: her idol was erected in Kiev by Vladimir, her name often appears in didactic literature against pagans, in later legends she appears and a ghostlike "long-armed and big-headed" creature who spins flax left by negligent girls, and that's pretty much all we know about her. On the contrary, "Mother Earth" was revered up until the early 20th century and the priesthood didn't really bother about it. She even had her own "name day" (Pentecost Monday). Nimbie95 (talk) 21:05, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]