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It said in the show once that Quimby was a six-term mayor. This does not match wikipedia's claims. 184.108.40.206 03:15, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
- could you cite the episode please? - Adolphus79 04:21, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
The episode where Sideshow Bob is elected mayor. 220.127.116.11 04:54, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
- ok... I don't remember, but I'll ask at the WikiProject... - Adolphus79 05:04, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
- reading the article just now, it says he has been the long-time mayor, re-elected several times, so it's not really wrong... if you are sure it is 6, be bold and make the fix... just make sure to cite the episode name... check the List of The Simpsons episodes if you need help... - Adolphus79 05:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, at the bottom of the page, the dates given for him as mayor do not equal 6 terms. 18.104.22.168 04:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- remember, you are dealing with The Simpsons, never expect a number to stay the same between 2 episodes... like I said, if you can cite the episode, then feel free to edit the article, once again, Be Bold... - Adolphus79 05:07, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
In which episode was the full name?
I have removed the Matlock Expressway link as, as far as I am aware, the Matlock Expressway was built by Sideshow bob after his election in the episode "Sideshow Bob Roberts" in order to appease the populace! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 22:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC).
They keep saying Mary Bailey is his Predecessor. That's not true. Mary Bailey is the governor of the state. --Jnelson09 01:23, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
This article is just one big section. Someone needs to tidy it up. If I have time, I will. But if someone else can, that would be great. Walters1 00:10, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
"Diamond Joe" name source?
Is there a source for the origin of the "Diamond Joe" part of Quimby's name, or is this just speculation? If the latter the folk song "Diamond Joe" (about a guy with Quimby-like characteristics) + Quimby Street seems a more likely source than "Diamond" Jim Purcell + Quimby Street. 126.96.36.199 13:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
"He is a frequent womanizer"
Am I the only one who sees the statement that Sen. Edward Kennedy is a frequent womanizer as unsourced, POV and an extreme violation of BLP? Unless someone provides a compelling rationale soon I will remove it. Msalt (talk) 16:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone actually cite an episode where it actually says what Joe Quimby's party is? I've never heard it mentioned. The only party he seems to be devoted to is a cocktail party.HerdyGerdyMan (talk) 07:41, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
- It's inferred in Sideshow Bob Roberts when Bob says:
|“||[Y]ou need me, Springfield Your guilty conscience may force you to vote Democratic, but deep down inside you secretly long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king.||”|
The SNPP transcript is here.
- It's also noted in the SNPP character bio for Quimby, which states "Mayor "Diamond" Joe Quimby (Democrat)".
- --Jatkins (talk - contribs) 11:08, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
- I've updated the article with these refs. --Jatkins (talk - contribs) 11:15, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
The source for him being based on Ted Kennedy only says "He is believed to be the inspiration behind Joe Quimby." Is there a real source saying that Quimby is a parody specifically of Ted instead of the Kennedys in general?--May Cause Dizziness (talk) 23:29, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
- Unless someone can prove otherwise, I'd say it needs to be changed to clarify. CTJF83 chat 04:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
It seems pretty clear to me that Quimby is much more a parody of former (once and future?) Providence, Rhode Island, mayor Buddy Cianci than of Ted Kennedy (or of some theoretical composite of Kennedys).
First, he looks just like Buddy Cianci (at least, a hair-piece-era Cianci), and does not particularly look like any Kennedy. Second, the only link to Kennedy is Quimby's accent, which is more a matter of decisions made by voice talent than of the origins of the character. Third, Quimby's career much more closely parallels Cianci's career than the career of any Kennedy: Cianci, like Quimby, and unlike any Kennedy, is well known for committing heinous crimes, doing federal time, and then being re-elected by a landslide once he became eligible for public office once again; indeed, his first stint in prison was for having his then-estranged wife's alleged boyfriend kidnapped by goons, then torturing the alleged lothario with lit cigarettes and beating him with a firelog. Fourth, and relatedly, Cianci, like Quimby, has frequently been reelected despite basically open admissions of corruption and so forth. The Kennedys by contrast, while characterized by their political enemies as lax in their sexual morals, are generally considered to be pretty staunchly ethical when it comes to, e.g., bribery and racketeering.
I'd say the wiki is getting it all wrong by calling Quimby a Kennedy parody. He's Cianci, with a Kennedy-style accent.
Update -- I have taken the liberty of modifying the page to reflect that Cianci seems more at the heart of Quimby than does Ted Kennedy.
- Thank you, but I've reverted, there is a source saying Kennedy, and your comparison is WP:OR. CTJF83 chat 13:10, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Hmm. Here is the text as you have revised it: "Joe Quimby is largely a parody of Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy, as well as of corrupt politics in general. Like the Kennedy family, Quimby "speaks with a Boston accent, throws money at political problems, and vacations in a coastal resort called the 'Quimby Compound.'" His name references NW Quimby Street in Portland, Oregon, the hometown of show creator Matt Groening, and also pays homage to Tom and Jerry's producer Fred Quimby. Castellaneta voices Quimby with somewhat considerable New York and Boston Irish accents, resulting in a voice somewhat reminiscent of that of President John F. Kennedy. "
Looks like the text you favor contains an unambiguous exemplar of unsupported original research, and what is more, highly implausible original research: namely, the odd assertion that the name "Quimby" is an "homage" to some obscure producer. Moreover, Fred Quimby was just one producer of Tom and Jerry, not the only one, as your revision suggests.
In addition, and more critically, your revision cites three sources, but at least two of the sources cited don't provide evidence in support of the propositions for which they are cited.
I'll be specific. In support of the proposition that Quimby is "largely" a parody of Ted Kennedy "as well as of corrupt politics in general," the cited source does not provide evidence of the series creators' intent to create a parody of Ted Kennedy or of "corrupt politics [sic] in general," but rather states only that "[Ted Kennedy] is believed to be the inspiration behind Joe Quimby." Believed by whom? And whence the claim regarding "corrupt politics in general?"
In support of the awkwardly written proposition that "Castellaneta voices Quimby with somewhat considerable New York and Boston Irish accents, resulting in a voice somewhat reminiscent of that of President John F. Kennedy" your revision cites to a wikipedia article that quite simply makes no such assertion.
You characterize my contribution as original research. I call that characterization demonstrably inaccurate. While my contribution cited to no outside sources, I did link to the wikipedia page for Buddy Cianci, which does cite outside sources. The wikipedia page for Buddy Cianci contains references to all of the facts about Cianci that I marshaled in support of the theory that Cianci was a model for Quimby.
All in all, I would say that your revision of my contribution "corrected" a nonexistant problem by creating new problems. I respectfully disagree with your decision to delete my contributions. In fact, I frankly can't work out any metric by which you could reasonably conclude that your revision is either superior to or more compliant with wikipedia guidelines than my contribution. Xaosdog (talk) 20:46, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
- I'm the editor who made the most recent changes to the article that you mention, not Ctjf83. So let's get that straight.
- WP:OR needs to be read in context with WP:RS. The latter shows that newspapers, such as the Guardian and the Boston Globe, are generally considered reliable sources that can be used as cites in Wikipedia articles. We--you, me, Ctjf83--are not considered reliable sources. If you can find a citation that qualifies as a reliable source under WP:RS that calls Quimby a parody of Cianci, we would gladly add that into the article.
- I agree that the Portland/Quimby claim is uncited, and probably ought to be removed. Similarly, I agree that the "somewhat considerable" sentence is worded very clumsily, and will fix it. However, the cite is not to a Wikipedia article, but to a specific DVD commentary. While I have not heard the commentary myself, I have no reason to think that the cite is inaccurate. YLee (talk) 22:41, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
- Is the IMDB bio for Buddy Cianci ( http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0161801/bio ) a reputable source? WP:RS doesn't make that clear. It seems to me that the claim that Quimby's character appears to be based in part on Cianci is not the kind of claim that should require a lot of evidentiary support, since it is effectively a claim about appearance rather than, say, an assertion of scientific law. In any event, the IMDB Cianci bio says "Some people say that Buddy is the model for 'Mayor Quimby' on 'The Simpsons' (1989)" -- which is really all the Globe had to say about the possibility that Kennedy was the genesis of the Quimby character: that he might be. (Surely it is a violation of wikipedia guidelines to support a statement that X is true (or "largely" true) by reference to a source that claims only that X might be true.)
- What about the snpp.com Simpson's fansite? It records the same speculation/surmise that Quimby is based on Cianci, which is proof positive that at least some people speculate that Cianci might be the source for Quimby, which is all my contribution sought to establish.
- in any event, I stick by my claim that the reversion/revision that you effected did NOT make the article more compliant with applicable guidelines. I further submit that reinstating some version of my contribution -- perhaps edited to add a citation or to refine the language appropriately -- would be better than reverting to what is up there right now. Xaosdog (talk) 00:04, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
- No, nothing in the Halloween specials should be mentioned, they are non-canon CTJF83 22:23, 6 February 2011 (UTC)