Talk:Michael Andreas Barclay de Tolly

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Fili[edit]

For those interested in this topic, the link to Fili does not go where you intended. Hal Jespersen 14:36, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. This has been fixed (on several other pages as well). Errabee 09:25, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Descendants[edit]

There are other De Tolly descendants but do not carry the name as Nicholas S. DeTolly son of Marie-Louise had no sons. Nicholas was my wife's Great-grandfather and we would be interested to hear from others and try to form more complete tree. Thanks, kandl2009@gmail.com(75.136.150.145 (talk) 05:19, 21 May 2013 (UTC))

Hmmmm, are you sure ??? Since the 1960's the Barclay de Tolly family has resided in Rhode Island, United States. My children and their cousins are the last known generation of the Barclay de Tolly family (edited by A. Barclay de Tolly). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.27.33 (talkcontribs) 02:34, 6 April 2007, moved to talk page by --Turbothy 08:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC)



After reading this I've began wondering if I may be a distant relative..i have the last name of Tolly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martol77 (talkcontribs) 23:36, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

The descendants of Field Marshal Prince Michael Andreas Barclay de Tolly are as follows- Prince Michael Andreas B de T married Helene Auguste Elenore von Smitten and they had a son, Ernst Magnus B de T who married first, Baroness Leocadie von Campenhausen ( no issue ) and 6 years after her death he married Alexandra Wilhelmine von Cramer ( no issue ) the widow of Baron Georg von Tisenhausen. Tsar Alexander 11, desiring to provide for the continuation of the hereditary princely Barclay de Tolly line ,chose an heir to the title, the eldest grandson of the Prince's sister Christine and son of his dear niece Christel. Christel had married Wilhelm Peter Jost von Weymarn in 1822 and their son, Alexander Magnus von Weymarn received the title in 1872 becoming the first Prince Barclay de Tolly Weymarn. The Weymarns, originally called Weimar or Weimer , came from Lubeck to Courland around 1600 moving to Livonia in 1693 when they were ennobled. Prince Alexander B de T W married Baroness Marie Friederike von Seddeler. Marie and Alexander had 5 children- Prince Nicholas who died in childhood Princess Alexandra who married Alexis von Krusenstjerna and had 3 daughters Prince Alexander Michael who died in infancy Prince Ludwig Alexander who married Katharina Tschernychev and had 3 daughters and 2 sons Princess Marie who married Baron Georg Christian von Thuemmler and had 1 son and 1 daughter. The title passed to Prince Ludwig Alexander and he and his wife had 5 children- Princess Alexandra who died in childhood Prince Michael who died in infancy Princess Katarina Anna who married, firstly, Carl Ludwig Victor Ottino and they had one son, Victor Vladimir. On her divorce she returned to her maiden name and title and her son took on her name, B de T. She married for the second time a Paul Schischkov and this marriage also dissolved. She remained Princess Barclay de Tolly and although on her birth and baptismal certificates she is B de T Weymarn for practical purposes this was rarely used. Princess Marie married first Vladimir Semigradov and had 2 sons and 2 daughters. This marriage dissolved and she married Count Vladimir von Armfelt which also ended in divorce and without issue as did her sister's second marriage. Prince Nicholas Barclay de Tolly Weymarn who married Sonja Gudrun Elizabeth Ingelsson and had no issue. Victor Vladimir B de T married Barbara Hallewell and they had two daughters Marion Victoria and Nina Christina.Marion Victoria married Ian Thomas and had two children, Marie-Louise and Nicholas Christian Barclay de Tolly. Nina Christina married Paul Dwyer and had two children, Anna Barclay de Tolly and Alexander Barclay de Tolly. After her divorce,Marion Victoria remains Thomas and nina Christina after her divorce chose to return to her maiden name, Barclay de Tolly. Nicholas Christian Barclay de Tolly Thomas married Claire Ball and has a daughter Olivia Poppy Barclay de Tolly Thomas (edited by Nicholas Christian Barclay de Tolly Thomas). --81.171.132.138 07:45, 23 April 2007 (UTC)





@ According to the russian wikipedia, Tolly comes from the name of the town Towy, Towie (Tolly) in Aberdeenshire. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B9-%D0%B4%D0%B5-%D0%A2%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B8,_%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BB_%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 So, Barclay de Tolly obviously means: Barclay from Towy/Tolly. Although, I have to admit, that the only thing, I've found on googlemaps, was a river named Burn of Tolly in Aberdeenshire. But according to the source "They came to Russia during the times of the Revolution of 1688, from Towy (Tolly) in Aberdeenshire." http://www.electricscotland.com/history/russia/scorus9.pdf

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.220.241.93 (talk) 03:26, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

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Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 18:25, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Birthplace Luhde-Grosshof near Walk, Livonia[edit]

Sources like [1] [2] say he was born at the family estate called Luhde-Grosshof [3] [4] in Kirchspiel Luke/Lugden, near Walk, Livonia. The modern day equivalent is Paju manor in Tõlliste Parish near Valga, Estonia, not far from former Valga (air base). See Google maps. -- Matthead  Discuß   02:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Ethnicity[edit]

He was a German-speaking descendant of a Scottish family. So Eisenhower was an English-speaking descendant of a German Family? A**h****! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.221.36.75 (talk) 11:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)