Talk:Morristown, New Jersey

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Benedict Arnold[edit]

Benedit Arnold was never tried for treason, however he was courtmarshalled on lesser offenses in Morristown. His treason was not yet known at this point in time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.110.100 (talk) 07:49, 17 August 2003 (UTC)[reply]

Why does "the Green" point to Dartmouth college?[edit]

That's weird. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kire1975 (talk • contribs) 04:36, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Convent Station[edit]

There may be nothing wrong with putting in the stuff at convent station before Morristown was formed. Further information is, of course, irrelevant to Morristown after that time. I've incorporated it into the Convent station article. And included a snippet in history. So right now it is in the article twice. The editor also reverted two items regarding the Chabad which should stay in. Student7 (talk) 01:11, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well the following still remains:
"That boundary line officially separated the two in 1895 when Morristown was formally set off from the township. (footnote) The College of Saint Elizabeth was founded in 1899 as part of the complex and, notably, it is the oldest women's college in New Jersey and one of the first Catholic colleges in the United States to award degrees to women. After the new boundary delineated Morristown as a smaller area, a community eventually formed between Morristown and Madison as a separate entity that took its name from the railway station built on the extensive Saint Elizabeth's property (see Convent Station)."
The article has said that convent station and Morristown are two different places after 1895. What in the world is history of Convent Station doing in here after that time? The article is about Morristown, not Convent Station.Student7 (talk) 19:59, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about the deletion of your edits for the Rabbinical College of America -- notice that they already have been restored by another editor -- that was overlooked and I would have replaced them. Understanding that the place "Morristown" existed before it was incorporated as a town under the legal procedures of the state of New Jersey is important. The article never even mentioned the natives who lived there for thousands of years, nor hardly the colonists of the Dutch and British periods. Checking historic records in newspapers one will find that at the time of its move, the convent had been in Newark and moved to Morristown. When the boundary for the new "town" form of government of Morristown (which likely had been a village form previously) -- relates to the governmental boundaries, not the cultural identification of the residents. Convent Station was a railway stop in the Morristown area that took its name from a stop the train made on the property of the convent. The fact that the portion of Morris Township near there now calls itself (it is not incorporated) Convent Station is because of the long use of the term as a railroad stop and the choice of the location for a postal station that is listed as a Morristown postal station [1] because of that convenience. (Postal designations are mind-boggling in some states where new counties have separated existing cultural entities and the post office refuses to change the longstanding address.) There were many forms of delineation of communities in both the British colonial and early American systems. Many communities went from being settlements, part of huge townships, villages, towns, cities, and such and sometimes reverted... yet the place never ceased to exist. First there were settlements, then villages, then counties, the township form of governmental organization was introduced and many areas became townships that included villages and settlements -- it is complex and can not be characterized simply by discussing current boundaries of governing bodies. This is a constant problem found in Wikipedia. Morristown once was called New Hanover, are you presuming that what occurred in New Hanover had nothing to do with Morristown? Seems incomplete to fail to discuss these things in a constantly changing world... Focusing on the current governmental boundary of a town or what it has grown into gives a false sense of the place over time. Providing our readers with a much information as we can to make them understand, contributes to what can be called encyclopedic knowledge and I would rather err on the side of more than less. Many readers do not know the topics well enough to know where to seek related information that contributes to better understanding. The history of a place over time seems more important than the delineation of the current arbitrary line last established (and equally capable of being changed again). We do not update the information if there is a minor change through annexation in the governmental boundaries as infrastructure and service provisions expand in many communities nor the reverse (albeit less frequent). Please see whether you are comfortable with the newest version and I would suggest that the Rabbinical College portion follow the paragraph about the private schools rather than precede it. Nevertheless, I am sure we can work out a version that is acceptable to both of us. 83d40m (talk) 00:01, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please note referenced correction above noting that the postal station is designated as Morristown as well and mail addressed to an address located in what is called Convent -- as Morristown, New Jersey 07961 -- is just as correctly addressed and, the address of the college is 2 Convent Road, Morristown, New Jersey 07960.6989 as represented on their own web site [2] -- 83d40m (talk) 23:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Further -- notice in the history section about the 1700s that "The town became the seat of the new Morris County shortly after its separation from Hunterdon County on March 15, 1739. The village and county were named for Lewis Morris, the first and then sitting royal governor of a united colony of New Jersey." Morristown was the name used throughout the revolutionary records of the area, and it was not "created" in 1865 -- the form of government changed then and the new boundaries relate to that change -- not to the cultural identification of the residents. 83d40m (talk) 00:28, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sticking to the one topic, here. You can't grab history from adjacent areas once they are separated. I agree up to the time Morristown separated. After that they have separate histories. English history will include the colonies right up until 1776 with a bit of overlap. After that we go our own way. It is no different with Morristown and Convent Station. I agree on the Convent Station being part of Morristown until it's exclusion. It starts its own history as a separate community then. It does not have to be incorporated to have a separate history. This is true elsewhere in the country. Unincorported villages are not "grabbed" by nearby cities once the city becomes separate. Shall we ask for a third party on this? I'm just repeating here. It is crystal clear to me and not to you. I don't think we need to go over the same points over and over. You don't think articles about places have clear boundaries concurrent with their jurisdictions. I do. Wikipedia would be full of a lot of repetitive info if they did it your way.
As far as the rest, I don't much care about the rabinical college. As far as the Indians or Dutch, great if you can find history on them. The main problem for any article is that nobody sat down from scratch and decided to write a brilliant article. They all "just happened" when someone ran across an interesting and (hopefully) scholarly article that seemed to cry out for summary in Wikipedia. So it is catch as catch can history. My thought would be that we probably share Indian history with Morris County at least. Might be best not to repeat unless their were clear distinct settlements. Dutch would be interesting. Never have seen anything on them before. Student7 (talk) 02:25, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just thought of something. Since it is okay to put Convent Station history into Morristown forever even though they are separate, is it also okay to put Morristown history into Convent Station? Would that include councilmen, developments, police, etc.? It all belongs, right? Since everything belongs to everything else. Student7 (talk) 01:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://newjersey.hometownlocator.com/ZIP-Codes/data,zipcode,07961.cfm
  2. ^ http://www.cse.edu/map.htm

Education[edit]

What is interesting about Morristown is the joint school board with Morris Plains. A couple more lines about that might be interesting. Why do they have the same number on the school board which seems excessively large BTW? How many joint school boards do they have in Jersey? Private school descriptins seems excessive. Particularly so since some of them have their own article. Just straight listing them should be sufficient.Student7 (talk) 00:42, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Headquarters[edit]

An editor inserted "The Louis Berger Group is based in Morristown." Another editors, believing this to be spam/advert, deleted it. The group has an article. Whether it deserves one or not is a separate question which I cannot address. I have no idea what these people do! (I will look at their article again in a few minutes).

IFF (if and only if) the group is notable (it has an article), and it really is "headquartered" here, I think it should be in the article. I don't see why it should be kept out.

(Just looked at the article. Not that great, but it has been around awhile). Student7 (talk) 14:28, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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intro sentences: town, county seat[edit]

Hi Alansohn- I found the repeating of "Morris County" in the first two sentences to be awkward. How about something like this: Morristown is a town in New Jersey. It is the county seat of Morris County. Eric talk 17:53, 21 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Eric, stick ", United States" at the end of the first sentence and I'm on board. Still a bit awkward in its own way, but it makes the appropriate points correctly. Alansohn (talk) 19:03, 21 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Alansohn: Do we ever use the form in the US town of New Jersey? I think that reads smoother than in New Jersey, United States or in New Jersey, in the United States. Eric talk 19:51, 21 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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