Talk:Munir Sheikh

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Should the editors decide whether events are related?[edit]

The description of this revert asserts that the event was not related to the person. I wonder if this amounts to an editor's statement. If my understanding of the comment agrees with that of others, such comments as well as any opposite assertions carry original research. --ilgiz (talk) 00:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The edit that you linked above was removing original research from the article. By mentioning affirmative action in this article,it was implying that Munir Sheikh's job or his resignation had something to do with affirmative action in the first place. That kind of accusation needs a citation that the events are related, not just citations saying that both events happened. Yes, the linked article mentions both events, but it doesn't say how they are related either, so just because they were journalistically irresponsible doesn't mean that we should be. —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 02:09, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The WP:NPOV pillar implies that there is not absolute truth, and Wikipedia editors are required to abstain from asserting one. Only views shared by absolute majority could be relied upon without referencing. The interpretation of the news on affirmative hiring practices stuck to the source. I understand deletionists may argue for removing clutter, but let the time pass before deciding whether this small addition was irrelevant. --ilgiz (talk) 15:05, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly there is an argument to be made that the events are related. However, that argument must be cited. Your one source was not good enough because it used sloppy journalism by subtly implying a causal relationship without actually making an argument. If you provide a source that directly addresses the relationship between the two events, we'll put the line back. Until then, we cannot just "let time pass" on this article because it is a WP:BLP, and having misleading information in it could get the Wikimedia Foundation into legal trouble. —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 19:57, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The libel argument applies to cases where references denigrate the living person and the person is not a public figure. None of these conditions apply here.
As to the quality of the source and to the degree of the implied relation between the resignation and the government's announcement, I fail to see any opinion expressed or implied by the Canadian Press journalist in the deleted reference. The reference mostly quotes politicians guessing whether the decision to review hiring practices will be opposed as strongly as the decision to drop enforced forms. The article does mention that the announcement came one day after the resignation, and this was the only interpretation of the source in the article. I believe such interpretation is neutral, and that it is difficult to blame the journalist for partisanship. Deleting the reference, in turn, makes me think that some people see a possible connection but do not want others see the possibility. --ilgiz (talk) 20:13, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(Forgot to mention that referencing partisan opinions synthesized by politicians or journalists is just fine with Wikipedia policies). --ilgiz (talk) 21:33, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If the only relationship between the two events is that one happened the day after the other, and no relationship is implied, why include just that event? On the day after Sheikh resigned, the Dodgers beat the Mets 2-0. Should that be included in the article? Saying that it happened the day after is not a neutral interpretation. —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 20:36, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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