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Different Pittenger sources[edit]

There were two definitions of the reference name "Pittenger", one referring to a 1993 publication, and the other to a 2005 publication. I differentiated them between "Pittenger1993" and "Pittenger2005", checked the former and removed those references that I could not find there. Possibly they are in the other publication. I may also have overlooked some.

Some details:

  1. I let reference g (after "between 39% and 76%") stand, even though the article does not give that range, saying instead "as many as 50 percent".
  2. The statement "The different scales are correlated, and not independent as claimed." does not fit under the headline "Reliability, so I removed it. (The 1993 source does mention correlation among factors, but does not make the case that there is a problem.) If that can be sourced, it would better fit in the "Correlates" section. — Sebastian 05:54, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Do we want to mention any criticisms in the lead?[edit]

This article has a largish criticisms section: Myers–Briggs Type Indicator#Criticism

Do we want to reflect any of that in the lead?

In January, the lead included the sentence "Although popular in the business sector, the MBTI exhibits significant psychometric deficiencies, notably including poor validity and reliability." with three references.

I expanded this to say "Although popular in the business sector, the MBTI exhibits significant psychometric deficiencies, notably including poor validity (it does not measure what it purports to measure) and poor reliability (it will give different results for the same person on different occasions). The four scales used in MBTI have some correlation with four of the Big Five personality traits, which are still controversial, but more widely accepted than MBTI."

This last bit was a summary of Myers–Briggs Type Indicator#Big Five.

On the 29th of February, the text was removed by IP 63.229.212.167, citing information provided with the MBTI.

If we don't want to reflect any criticisms in the lead, perhaps we need to change our criticisms sections (or perhaps we need to both change the criticism section and reflect some of it in the lead).

Yaris678 (talk) 12:18, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

I haven't seen any response to the above, so I've brought back the text mentioning criticisms in the lead.
Yaris678 (talk) 11:35, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

"They" in the History section[edit]

Late sentence in second graph references "they" but there appears to be only a single antecedent (Briggs). I didn't want to change it, though, in case I'm either misreading it, or there is supposed to, in fact, be another person referenced that someone might want to insert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:3F48:8300:59E9:C369:BCD7:ED93 (talk) 21:49, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

I have added a title above your comment as I believe you are referring to the History section.
"They" would most obviously refer to both Briggs and Myers... but the sentences before and after indicate to me that it refers just to Briggs. Perhaps we should change it from "they" to "Briggs".
Yaris678 (talk) 12:50, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

More detail about how the test was developed?[edit]

Perhaps the development of the Myers-Briggs test was mostly subjective, but the current article does say "From Hay, Myers learned rudimentary test construction, scoring, validation, and statistical methods.[1]", What were the scoring, validation, and statistical methods used by Hay?

It would be useful to explain how a test using Hay's methods was developed and to say how this compares to the methods used to develop other personality tests. For example, I speculate that one method of developing a "personality test" would be to find a set of questions and a method of scoring the answers such that the test effectively divides a large sample of people into distinct categories and then have clinical psychologists examine the test subjects and classify (perhaps through interviews) the traits common to people who fall in the same category. Is that what Briggs and Briggs-Myers did? Tashiro~enwiki (talk) 15:48, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Falsifiability[edit]

I removed the sentence "Critics also argue that the MBTI lacks falsifiability,[citation needed] where every possible outcome can be interpreted in support of a theory." A quick search on Google Scholar for Myers+Briggs+falsifiability reveals, near the top of the results, an article critical of the MBTI that says exactly the opposite about falsifiability: Pittenger, David J. (2005). "Cautionary comments regarding the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator" (PDF). Consulting Psychology Journal: Practice and Research. 57 (3): 210–221. doi:10.1037/1065-9293.57.3.210. The strong theoretical background of the MBTI affords many falsifiable hypotheses regarding the psychometric properties of the MBTI results.  The MBTI has many problems, but nonfalsifiability does not appear to be one of them, unless others can find reliable sources stating otherwise. Biogeographist (talk) 01:57, 10 April 2017 (UTC)