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This article does not have decent citations. It also asserts doubtful facts about the maroons that contradict the maroon article, e.g. the maroons coming to the Americas as free people. Additionally, the only citation is to a reggae website that is hardly scholarly. The language should also be changed as the style is not appropriate. I don't know how to flag this page for these issues but I would appreciate if someone could do that. Granny Nanny is an important Jamaican figure and there must be plenty of reasonable sources to buttress a legitimate page for her. (I'm not arguing to get rid of the reggae website citation necessarily but it is pretty weak to stand on its own).

Actually, it's very difficult to find any sources about her. There are only around four contemporary sources that refer to Queen Nanny, and those are incredibly biased because they were written by Brits. Most of what is known of her is oral tradition, which is quite unreliable. When I get the chance, I'll do what I can to help. Scaletail 02:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We don't need contemporary sources, since we're not trying to prove or disprove those traditions (and the article should be worded to avoid making a judgement either way, except where evidence exists.) It would be enough to find modern sources describing the oral tradition, and cite that. The important thing, though, is to make sure that the oral traditions described here are the actual traditions, accurately described, and don't include any accidental (or deliberate!) additions or errors by editors here. --Aquillion 06:21, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On closer inspection, and after a little poking around, almost everything in this article seems to come from one source: here, the Jamacian Ministry of Education, Youth & Culture listing on Jamaica's national heroes. It is written for children, has no citations of its own, and is all-around probably not the best of sources; but since about 90% of this article seems to be a straightforward rewrite of it, we do have to cite it liberally until better sources can be found. The rewrite might be straightforward enough to raise potential copyvio problems, in fact... although our article uses different words, the overall structure (outside of a few areas) remains exactly identical. --Aquillion 06:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The entire "Life and Work" section as it now stands should be scrapped. It isn't based upon a reliable source, and even the youth website seems to be gone now. Again, we know very, very little about her "Life and Work." Based upon historical evidence, we know that she practiced Obeah. We also know that she was a leader of the Jamaican Maroons. That's about it. The rest is oral tradition, legend, and popular culture. I'm not sure how Wikipedia handles such sources when they refer to a real person. There have also been some pretty inventive critical theorists who work on Nanny's legacy. I'm thinking here about the scholar Jenny Sharpe's Ghosts Of Slavery: A Literary Archaeology of Black Women's Lives [1]. Perhaps there should be a section about "Nanny in Popular Culture and Lore"? Josh a brewer (talk) 21:51, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As regards copyright vio, the copyright is on the form ofwords not on the ideas expressed.Harrypotter 10:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I took the pains to add some reliable print sources here, but I admit that I didn't do a good job of citing them. Not sure I've got the time, either, but I'll do my best. Thanks for pointing this out. Josh a brewer 06:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ur welcome c.Douglas (talk) 05:24, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've tidied this article up a bit more, and it should read better with better references.Mikesiva (talk) 14:27, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In popular and current culture

In the novel Storm Warning by Linda Sue Park, the protagonists go to the memorial park in Jamaica, where there is a real memorial to Nanny (http://www.jnht.com/site_monument_nanny.php). She is also depicted on Jamaican monetary units. 211.225.33.104 (talk) 03:48, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No c.Douglas (talk) 05:25, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Bullets

Catching and throwing bullets? It may be there was some such legend. But the claim there was "some truth to it" seems dubious in the extreme. Could somebody find out what the references really say? Maybe we can just delete this paragraph? (Thank you to the IP editor who caught this.) -- M.boli (talk) 17:09, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This edit inserted the dubious claim. Perhaps Normanmdowe (talk · contribs) can defend it? -- M.boli (talk) 17:29, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have Bilby's book, and it's a Maroon oral legend. I've rewritten the text to reflect that. However, the two sentences in question that dubiously claim it's true are still there. I would be happy for any editor to delete them, if they see fit.Mikesiva (talk) 14:33, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Slave

The text states that he was never a slave. Then it is said that he came to Jamaica as a slave. Atakhanli (talk) 15:56, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I notice some changes were made to this article, which does not adhere to the Wikipedia notion of neutrality. Maroon legend must be presented as such, and not in the form of an opinion, dismissing academic research on the subject. Anything that's contrary to what's written needs a proper reference. Just saying that it's the family history of the Rowe family is not enough.Mikesiva (talk) 17:24, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]