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Other countries[edit]

Nazism had a powerful influence on neighboring European countries. It seems to me to be appropriate to include some reference to this such as: It was also contemporaneous or promoted in other European countries, particularly those with large ethnic German communities such as Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania and Yugoslavia


Edit request: CS and Hungary[edit]

I don't think it's appropriate to equate Hungary and Czechoslovakia in the lede as countries where Nazism took hold. Hungary as a nation fell to Nazi governance in its entirety and conducted itself as a Nazi state, whereas Czechoslovakia only did so after German invasion. An element (the German minority) within Czechoslovakia supported Nazism, but the same could be said for the United Kingdom. Czechoslovakia should be removed from the lede. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.48.18 (talkcontribs) 04:51, July 21, 2014

Nazism[edit]

as history and ALL DOCUMENTS AND SOURSES SHOW , NAZISM IS A LEFT SOCIALIST MOVMENT THAT GOT SRONGER THANKS TO LENIN. YOU HAVE TO FIX IT , BECAUSE YOU ARE POSTING FAKE INFORMATION WHEN SAID NAZISM IS FAR-RIGHT. NOT THAT I CARE , CAUSE EVERYBODY WITH A BIT OF BRAINS WOULD NEVER USE WIKI AS A SOURCE , CAUSE IS A JOKE AND FULL OF MASSIVE MISTAKES. JUST A HINT...FIX IT AND YOU GUYS LOOK LESS STUPID. REGARDS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.70.51.231 (talk) 03:54, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

I recommend you stop shouting and maybe read a book (or several). Rgds  hugarheimur 05:02, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
Resolved

So rude. Be nice and get to facts. Please6keep personal opions reframed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onealronn (talkcontribs) 10:11, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

The article itself says that Hitler took what he was as the best of both the left and right, favoring neither, and criticizing both. That's pretty damn contradictory to the numerous parts of the article that say nazism is far right instead of authoritarian centralist. Get your shit together — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.179.86 ( (talk) 31 March 2017)

Reality is contradictory, but in this case it's reconciled by the difference between political-economy, where the Nazi were centrists; and political orientation, in terms of antipathy to leftist ideas (here the Nazis were extreme-right). El_C 20:55, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
In addition of course, political movements are categorised by real-world academic consensus, which generally places Nazism and other types of fascism on the right, not occasional (and rarely consistent in Hitler's case) statements about apparent self-identification. Most political ideas represent a synthesis to some extent of previous ideas and you can always say "this aspect of X is a bit like that aspect of Y". It doesn't make them the same kind of thing. Equally, factions in the same overall political area will often be rivals and criticise each other. And as for self-identification, however much he criticised the traditional right, Hitler always lined himself up alongside them when he needed allies or help: from Ludendorff in 1923 to Hugenberg in 1933. N-HH talk/edits 08:16, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Nazism is socialism is leftist. This is a no-brainer. -Michael Leahy Disciple4lif (talk) 16:25, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

You don't need to make your point twice. I have replied to it below. Also, please don't be so hard on yourself. You don't have to introduce yourself as a "no-brainer". Instead, please just think of yourself as somebody who just has a lot to learn. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:27, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Nazism is left wing, not right wing.[edit]

Nazism is short for National Socialism. Socialism is leftist.

There was nothing about the Nazi party that was right wing.

This must be changed

Disciple4lif (talk) 16:21, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

This is demonstrably incorrect. This has been explained 1000 times before. If you have not seen this then you can either check out the archive of discussion here or you can just look up the reference material that the article uses. Please do not demand that we "must" make incorrect changes to appease your lack of understanding. Even if you were correct your tone would be inappropriate. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:24, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
I agree to some extent, but this issue has already been discussed in length and not likely to change on Wikipedia any time soon. For what it's worth though, National Socialism is, in my view (as well as for other American conservatives/classical liberals), a primarily "left-wing" ideology when concerning American definitions of right-wing versus left-wing politics. In Europe, however, definitions may vary. From an American perspective, Nazism has a mixture of far-right (implementation of nationalist agendas, anti-internationalism, etc.), and far-left (Socialism, anti-capitalism, some form of collectivism, one-party statism, government-controlled economy, etc.) politics. The article itself makes mention of such syncretism. -Ano-User (talk) 11:39, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
The article does try to be as clear about this as it can but, as you demonstrate, understanding these distinctions requires you to be able to hold different ideas about the meanings of things in your head at once and then compare them. Sadly, it seems that many people find this very hard and unpleasant to do. The problem is not that there is a difference in nuance between American and European ideas of left and right, although, of course, there is, and it certainly can cause confusion. The current problem is that some people on the American aggressive right want to simply define "left" as "bad" and "right" as "good". When done intentionally that is a cynical and sinister attempt to undermine the integrity of language itself. Like Orwellian Newspeak it seeks to diminish and pervert the language to the point where it becomes impossible to express a view contrary to the one promoted by those seeking to control the language and thus saves them from having to engage with ideas that challenge them. I doubt that most of the people who turn up here making these points are in on the sinister and cynical end of this but I do think that most of them have been confused by those who are. If they check out the reference material we use then maybe they can see that we are following mainstream terminology and academic consensus. Of course, there are some on the American right want to redefine "mainstream" (and maybe also "academic" and "consensus") to simply mean "bad". For anybody who has drunk that much of the Kool Aid it is almost impossible for them to understand anything that they read here or in the reference material even if they try to read it. If they drunk it without knowing then I pity them. It will be very hard for them to think, speak or write clearly about almost any complex subject. They will be as lost as a blind man who only speaks Welsh stranded half-way on a busy traffic crossing in central Tokyo. They may be surrounded by people who want to help but the language gap means that making anything understood is all but impossible. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:00, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2017[edit]

Despite the current leftist agenda to rewrite history and make the claim that Nazism is a far-right political ideology, it is not. Nazism and the Nazi Party were a Far-left political ideology encompassing Socialism, totalitarianism and fascism. As clearly stated in Britannica's online Encyclopedia, Socialism and Communism are both left political ideologies. This can be verified at the following URL: https://www.britannica.com/topic/left. The political right and Conservatism encompass smaller government, invoking fewer regulations and laws, more private enterprise as opposed to public ownership and publicly governed organizations with the hope of reduced corruption, waste and personal responsibility. Nazism was, in every way, leftist in ideology. Nazism, in no way, encouraged or promoted fewer regulations, independent liberties or additional freedoms for its people. This blatantly biased and incorrect article is an example of the very nature of leftist ideologies forcing misinformation and bias in an effort to further tyranny and promote propaganda that is simply untrue. Allen4GG (talk) 21:26, 3 May 2017 (UTC)Allen Martin [1] Allen4GG (talk) 21:26, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: see above Cannolis (talk) 22:04, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

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