Talk:Olivier Besancenot

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Not quite sure about my translation:

  • I trust that young mann, he has a pleasant face, what he says isn't stupid, I share some of his analysis but not all of it, far from it. ("Ma foi c'est un gentil garçon, il a un visage agréable, ce qu'il dit n'est pas bête, je partage quelques unes de ses analyses mais pas toutes, loin de là.") Elisabeth Guigou

--Allen Riddell 21:11, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Seems fine, good work! Bertilvidet 23:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


Though I am not much experienced in wikipedia, I think the idea is to link to the relavant article only the first time you mention a person, or whatever, in a single page. So probably only the first links to Krivine and LCR have to be kept.--Michkalas 23:13, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

You right. Its generally the case that terms are wikilinked only on there first mention. This isn't a hard and fast rule though and there are exceptions, The key one being if there is a big gap between the two mentions. Since this article is small that doesn't really apply. Also I think its ok to link again in a see also type section.--JK the unwise 08:42, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Good translation work[edit]

Some things that still need to cleared up.

  • The article refers to his history "licence" does this mean his history degre? (i.e. a University award)
  • What is the Sud-PPT?
  • Who are Dominique Reynie and Elisabeth Guigou, and what makes their comments notable?

--JK the unwise 09:46, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

'Department' in english doesn' t have the same meaning as in french. I think in english is something like 'region'.--Michkalas 12:12, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes 'region' would be a good translation of departement'. 'Sud' is a trade union, Sud-PPT is the section for telecommunication and postal workers. Dominique Reynie is a well known professor in politcal science (not at all left), so I find his remarks relevant. Bertilvidet 12:55, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Should we add a reference to note that the article draws on the French version? CF: Josep Carner#Reference.--JK the unwise 14:49, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

License is much closer to an MA than a BA, though they are not exactly equivalent. --User: Anonymous 11.20 PM, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

But is it not a 3-year diploma after Baccalaureat? Maitrise seems to me more close to a MA. --Michkalas 23:26, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Indeed, a License is a batchelor's degree. --Duncan 02:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

department / translation credit[edit]

On the translation issue -- it's not drawn from the French article -- it is the French article, just translated. I'd like to expand it at some point -- particularly if Besancenot runs for president again this year. But for now, I'm definitely in favor of noting that it's a simple translation.

And this "department" vs. "region" issue. "Department" is a fundamental division in the government on France. It has its own administration. "Region" sounds to me like a geographic/cultural divison and not a governmental one. I'm new to Wikipedia but could we have "department" link to a definition of "department" in the government of France wikipedia article? --levinas-komplott 15:20, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Department just sounds so confusing to an english ear that I think that even if it was wikilinked there should be an explanation in brackets, e.g. "in the Hauts-de-Seine department (adminisrative region), France". There is currently an artcle on the French use of department at Département. On the issule translation credit, it is not 100% true to say that the article is merly a translation from the French one. It has been silightly re-orrdered and one samll sentence has been added, i.e. "Among under 25 years olds he gained 13.9 percent of the vote, beating both Lionel Jospin and Jean-Marie Le Pen" from [1]. I think that the current translation credit is fine, but maybe we coud change it to "...draws very heavily..."--JK the unwise 15:35, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

translation changed[edit]

I changed the translation from the guiguou sentence. Being french, i can tell this was completely misleading (though funny). "Ma foi" does not mean to my trust or anything even close to that. It is just the same as indeed, or in my opinion. Guiguou would never trust this guy since she is a socialist that is not known to be close by any means to the extreme left.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Lugan (talkcontribs) 5 Feb 2005


Is it really a controversy that a former revolutionary that became social democrat considers contradictions in the revolutionary ideology??Bertilvidet 17:26, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I think it would be a controversy if he said enything else. Let's cut it. --Duncan 17:46, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Indeed ;-) The section is out. Bertilvidet 17:51, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Translation again ![edit]

I am changing the translation of "Nos vies valent plus que leurs profits". "Our lives before their profits" does not carry the "value" meaning. Thus I am proposing "Our lives are worth more than their profits", which seem to me more faithful to the original idea. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mauvaisours (talkcontribs) 13:35, 29 January 2007 (UTC).

I agree with this. It doesn't ring quite as well but carry better the suggested mutual exclusion between life and profit. Ghaag 12:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of "Related" Quotations[edit]

What is the point of the seemingly arbitrary choice of dismissive quotations at the bottom of the article? They're amusing, but they don't really show a cross-section of views on Besancenot or anything like that. They're also not that unique to Besancenot. The first one is just common (often post-modern) anti-Communism (the Marxist analysis of class division is not accurate or realistic). The second could be said after debate with many young radicals. The third is most relevant (and the most amusing), showing that a PS politician was asked to comment on Olivier Besancenot, but it's not as though a PS politician would say much else on a someone further left than themselves. Finally, the quotations are not sourced, and they're not in the French version of the article anymore. I'll admit my bias that if I were French I would probably be among those voting for the LCR, but I think that it is a better article without them by Wikipedia's standards.


Do we need all three photos of him? The third (the June 2005 one) just seems to be there to make him look silly. Aridd (talk) 18:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Paris VI doesn't deliver masters in history[edit]

To my knowledge, Paris VI University provides only scientific, technological and medical master programs. On the french article, only his bachelor degree from Paris X is mentionned. Or is it Paris VII? Paris VI and Paris VII used to share the same campus. (talk) 01:34, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

French Wikipedia does not mention it, so I have removed the text: "and continued his studies at University of Paris VI (Pierre et Marie Curie) for a maîtrise". --Duncan (talk) 07:31, 9 July 2010 (UTC)