Talk:Operation Sonnenblume

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Additions[edit]

Added material to prelude. Keith-264 (talk) 09:54, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

German vs English names[edit]

Might this article (especially the Background..Afika Corp section) read a bit better were the English translations of German unit designations to be used--as is typical of most such articles? Giving the German designation parenthetically (if desired) would be more consistent. Juan Riley (talk) 17:13, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Probably but I'd put translations in parentheses on the first use of a German term like an abbreviation. I've experimented with permutations of using German/Italian/French terms about German/Italian/French units and code names etc, using them in parentheses as illumination and local colour, doing them first in German/Italian/French sections and other methods and never been really satisfied with the result. Keith-264 (talk) 17:25, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Not complaining...but things like this: "5. leichte-Division‍ '​s (mot)" don't scan well for me as an American English reader. I don't think I have run across such in other WWII articles. But who knows. I do like the extra info if added as parenthetical once. I will live with it one way or another. :) Juan Riley (talk) 17:30, 5 July 2015 (UTC) PS. Damn..no prickly pear in that picture. Juan Riley (talk) 17:32, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Damned if we do, damned if we don't. ;O) I only stumbled on this article when I was having a rest from the Western Front 1915-1917 and don't have that many sources for the technical details. Unfortunately, work has got in the way so I'm only bitting and bobbing. No cacti on the UiC allotments ;O)Keith-264 (talk) 17:40, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Does it read a little easier now?Keith-264 (talk) 19:02, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Expansion[edit]

Added more material but it needs a ce when it's finished, particularly the periodisation.Keith-264 (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2015 (UTC) Got most of the narrative done, need to do the Aftermath section.Keith-264 (talk) 13:19, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Clarifications[edit]

  1. The background section needs some expansion. British victory over whom? When? How? Just a summary and perhaps a link to the appropriate article establishing why Directive 22 was created.
  2. Formation of the Afrika Korps (change subheading?)
  3. I cannot find Mersa Brega (and others) on your map.
  4. distances between some of these locations? Part of the problem DAK faced was the distance, and how far their units were stretched.

The article is good, it just assumes too much information. You certainly haven't over linked this, either. auntieruth (talk) 15:55, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello auntie, thanks for replying. I don't think it's good, hence the C grade request but I can expand the background and add to the Directive easily enough.
  • The Afrika Korps section was already there but I can adapt it accordingly
  • I can look for a better map but am limited to what's in commons
  • Distances: can do

Thanks, anything else? Keith-264 (talk) 16:12, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

I thought that Skorpion was in far worse shape than this but I see what you mean about it still being a bit of a dog's dinner. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 23:40, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Added more detail lead and analysis next.Keith-264 (talk) 17:11, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Title[edit]

Are Rommel's actions on the ground described in the "Battle" section really part of Sonnenblume? I thought that was merely the codename of the troop transfer. Srnec (talk) 22:24, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

It was supposed to be but he exceeded his authority.Keith-264 (talk) 22:36, 22 March 2016 (UTC)