Talk:Pavlo Shandruk

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To the IP who states that Shandruk was a Brigad Fuerer : read http://www.galiciadivision.com/lib/shandruk/r25.html

and specially

"ORDER. To the Army and Navy of the Ukrainian National Republic. No. 8. March 15, 1945.

Re: General Staff: Lieutenant-General of (he General Staff Pavlo Shandruk is hereby appointed Commander of the Ukrainian National Army as of March 15, 1945.

(Signed): A. Livytsky, Commander-in-Chief;

(signed) M. Sadovsky, Major General, for the Ministry of Military Affairs; Certified copy of the original:

(signed) A. Nosachenko, Lt.-Col. Seal."

and

"Reichsminister Alfred Rosenberg. Berlin, March 12, 1945.

To: General Pavlo Shandruk, Berlin-Charlottenburg.

In order to make possible the full participation in the decisive phase of the war against Bolshevism, and to introduce the proper order into national relations in Europe, in the name of the German Government I recognize the acting organ of the national representation of Ukraine formed by you as the Ukrainian National Committee. I declare:

(1) The Ukrainian National Committee is the sole representation of the Ukrainian People recognized by the German Government;

(2) The Ukrainian National Committee has the right to represent the interests of the future Ukraine, and to manifest same in Declarations and Manifestoes. After final clarification of the matter of assembling those Ukrainians who are serving in the German Army, I shall make a demand that all Ukrainian units be joined together for the formation of a Ukrainian Liberation Army.

(signed) � ROSENBERG."

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Are you telling me that the so called Ukrainian National Army wasn't a formation in the German Army? Bogdan ^що? 22:33, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

It wasn't a Nazi formation and it wasn't in the Wehrmacht though it was certainly within the German military as the "Ukrainian National Army.". I also think the label Nazi is thrown around too lightly - we don't label everyone in the Soviet military a "Communist."Faustian (talk) 22:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Wehrmacht (literally "defense force") was the name of the unified armed forces of Germany from 1935 to 1945. Please point out what is wrong with calling him a Wehrmacht general. Would you like me to be more accurate and call him a Wehrmacht Heer general?

And as for the Nazi part, I was in no way implying his membership in any party. My version of "...later a general of the Nazi German army" was only meant to coincide with our article on Nazi Germany, nothing more. If it bothers you, there's no need to keep it. Bogdan ^що? 02:48, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

That's fine - I agree that something should be said that he was a general in the Germans' service - it's important of course. The Ukrainian National Army seems to have been different from the regular German army though.Faustian (talk) 04:47, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

In what way? Bogdan ^що? 21:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

B-class review

This article is currently at start/C class, but could be improved to B-class if it had more (inline) citations. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 03:17, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

US sources

There is an additional source in a footnote of a publication by Jeffrey Burds.

The CIC Special Agent Herbert Bechtold, writes about Shandruk on 2 November 1948, according to Jeffrey Burds: The Early Cold War in Soviet West Ukraine, 1944–1948. Carl Beck Papers in Russian & East European Studies Number 1505. The Center for Russian and East European Studies, University of Pittsburgh, 2001, p.6 FN 76:

... Shandruk had been chief of police for the Imperial Russian government in Poltava, Ukraine, until World War I. After 1917, he became adjutant to Petliura, then worked for Polish Military Counter-intelligence, concentrating his activities in Volhynia. “By 1937 Shandruk was working as a double-agent for both Germans and Poles. . . . After the collapse of Poland he began working for the intelligence section of the Gestapo, and was thus instrumental in the denunciation of many Polish ex-officers and partisans hiding from the Germans.” While he was commander of the Ukrainian SS-Galicia Division from 1943 to 1945, Shandruk made repeated overtures to U.S. and British intelligence: “Shortly before the German capitulation he [Shandruk] sent Colonel SMOVSKI-RAYEVSKI to establish contact with G-2 of the opposing American forces . . . for negotiations concerning a merger of forces and a continuation of hostilities against their Soviet allies.” Shandruk’s adjutant was arrested, and he was forced to disband his army. Throughout the next few years Shandruk made repeated overtures to British Intelligence, without success. In 1947, through the Ataman of the Kuban Cossacks Ivanyshyn, Shandruk proposed to recruit a Ukrainian guerrilla force of six thousand for a downpayment of a mere fi ve hundred British pounds, but was again refused. “SHANDRUK has been more successful with American authorities, because from one agency he received a sum of 30,000 RM for the organization of an intelligence net. . . . [H]owever, the money was squandered and nothing was accomplished.” Secret report of CIC Special Agent Herbert Bechtold, Region IV, dated 2 November 1948. INSCOM Dossier ZF010016WJ, 17–18, 1832.

It would be helpful to see for additional info in the Polish Wikipedia pages on him and about the SS Division Galicia. --Ft93110 (talk) 13:32, 28 July 2020 (UTC)