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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pay Money to My PainPay money To my Pain — The name of the band in all reliable sources is "Pay money To my Pain". Not "Pay Money To My Pain". This is clearly shown in the band's name's abbreviation "P.T.P" and not "P.M.M.P".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 09:55, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As a side note (and as an outside editor): while the Smart car is called "smart" with a lowercase 's' by the company themselves, Wikipedia sticks to proper capitalization in that case. I agree with that there, and agree with it here. Heck, even e.e. cummings is capitalized in his article, and AFAIK he's the one who came up with this kind of behaviour.  ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃  (talk) 08:57, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

At WT:MOS, it was discussed that MOS:TM gets in the way of stating certain items are treated as trademarks when they shouldn't be, and the way it is styled on Wikipedia should resemble the way that it is styled in all other reliable sources. FWIW, "e.e. cummings" never preferred to be known in a serious context by that moniker, and only used that style in his works. In contrast, PTP is universally referred to as "Pay money To my Pain" in all reliable sources, and the reading at MOS:TM has always stated to use styles that are in use rather than making ones up. Nowhere is this band referred to as "Pay Money to My Pain". Enforcing that incorrect style over a correct one that has no technical restrictions is against the various guidelines in place.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 09:09, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

WP:MOSTM violation

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All of the opposition to the move stems from an incorrect application of WP:MOSTM. It very clearly states "When deciding how to format a trademark, editors should choose among styles already in use (not invent new ones)" (emphasis mine). There are no reliable sources or any sources where this group is referred to as "Pay Money to My Pain". So as it stands, the current location of this article violates WP:MOSTM and WP:AT.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 07:55, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]