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reference to the term
Lurs and Kurds, Persians Persianization?
Taken from the "Lurs" page, on wikipedia: "Lors are an ethnic group of Iranian peoples living mostly in south-western Iran. Lorish is a Persian dialect related to the Old Pahlavi (Middle Persian/Farsi) language."
And now this page: "In modern times, it is often used in connection with non-Persians such as Azeris, Kurds, Baluchis and Lurs, as well as non-Iranians living in Iran such as Arabs and Turkmens."
Seriously, how is it possible to Persianify some Persian tribes, and create a Wikipedia entry based on this wrong conclusion? How can you prove that People of Azarbaijan, with such a pure Persian name, are not Persian?
The entire Persianization page is just a personal research, not a Wikipedia entry, thefore must be changed as soon as possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaahin (talk • contribs) 22:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
To Grandmaster -Request for Citation
You have added a citation to the above article: by using "Tadeusz Swietochowski, 'Russia and Azerbaijan: A Borderland in Transition. ISBN: 0231070683", described the official policy pursued by Reza Shah Pahlavi to assimilate the ethnic minorities in Iran. In particular, within this policy the Azerbaijani language was banned for use on the premises of schools, in theatrical performances, religious ceremonies and in the publication of books, I have checked the book and although there is a mention about Soviet penetration into Azarbaijan province, and the movement policy for Azari Language, but there is no such a entry as you stated. Therefore can I have the page number for the entry? Thanks Surena 07:31, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
- Please see the page 122:
- The steps that the Teheran regime took in the 1930s with the aim of Persianization of the Azeris and other minorities appeared to take a leaf from the writings of the reformist-minded intellectuals in the previous decade. In the quest of imposing national homogeneity on the country where half of the population consisted of ethnic minorities, the Pahlavi regime issued in quick succession bans on the use of Azeri on the premises of schools, in theatrical performances, religious ceremonies, and, finally, in the publication of books. Azeri was reduced to the status of a language that only could be spoken and hardly ever written. As the Persianization campaign gained momentum, it drew inspiration from the revivalist spirit of Zoroastrian national glories. There followed even more invasive official practices, such as changing Turkic-sounding geographic names and interference with giving children names other than Persian ones. While cultivating cordial relations with Kemalist Turkey, Reza Shah carried on a forceful de-Turkification campaign in Iran.
- Grandmaster 18:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks - I've included in the article. Surena 07:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
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what is this crap? lurs/bakhterians/gilakis/mazandaranis/tajiks arent different they are a different persian tribe they arent ethnically different.also azeris werent turkish from beginning they were persians and spoke tati another persian dialect lik most iranians today speak which are persian dialects.
I agree this is an irrelevant text of a persofob person. Cultures and languages influence each other and change. Like french influence in europe, or english in world. /Robert 220.127.116.11 (talk) 23:08, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
This article is a personal research and not a scientific one
Badly written. Too poor article. Not any good scientific/historical/social references in this article. This article is 100% personal research and writing without any reliable resource. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 05:48, 29 December 2009 (UTC)