Talk:Peter Collins (racing driver)

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October 2013[edit]

I have re drafted much of the central section of this article as it feels and reads like it had been copied from a book. It needs more sources but i do not have the knowledge to add them. (DarloRich (talk) 21:00, 12 October 2013 (UTC))

In Reply, its an original synthesis from a lifetime of reading and listening to Motor Racing Comment. In my view it is a much cleaner job, than your version, but i'll leave it for now. It certainly isn't copied and there is actually very little written about Collins of significance or likely accuracy, other than the Nixon book on Hawthorn and Collins. One very interesting point about Peter Collins friend Mike Hawthorn, is this, in 1954 the reason for exempting Stirling Moss from military service was exactly the same as for Mike Hawthorn, severe kidney failure.(ref M.Kahn. Death Race /ref). The same reason for exemption for both gentlemen was stated in parliament. And I ask was it the standard excuse of time. I remain unconvinced that Hawthorn was remotely ill in 1954 or 58. If Mike was so ill why would he have been so determined to set himself up for life, with various contractual deals and why would he have married the beautiful Jane Howard the future Mrs Innes Ireland. A great deal remains unknown. RFM. I think you should have mentioned that JMH had one kidney already removed and his autopsy indicated the remaining kidney would only have lasted 18 months. However, recently the idea has been postulated the kidney problems were a result of vibration during racing, a fact not suggested at the time, and a number of other notable drivers also encountered kidney problems and survived (Ref. Too Fast a Life by Martin Shepherd). DNRG86.14.9.170 (talk) 15:05, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
Just noticed this. I would suggest that the Hawthorn detail above probably belongs in the Mike Hawthorn article, if properly sourced and isn't already there, (I haven't looked), rather than here in an article about PC. -Roxy the dog™ woof 15:08, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Hawthorn DIDN'T marry Jean Haworth; they were engaged at the time of his death.Mr Larrington (talk) 18:54, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Boring Fact about PC[edit]

He was my fathers best man at my parents wedding. --Roxy the dog (resonate) 19:16, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Major change discussion following BOLD edit[edit]

The edit I reverted removed much material, pics etc and inserted what I feel is a wall of text that is not an improvement to the article. -Roxy the dog™ woof 02:41, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Hard to believe[edit]

It is said that Collins moved to Monaco in 1956 to avoid British conscription. As this mostly affected 17 to 21 year olds, I am not sure that this is true. If Collins was born in 1931, he was about 25 in 1956. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.153.142.213 (talk) 13:36, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

It is possible that Pattie Silk was told this and believed it, over-looking the high age, 25. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.153.142.213 (talk) 13:41, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
I doubt Collins moved to Monaco for that reason. I'll ask my dad, he'll know. You wont be able to use the info though. Dad's unreliable, but was conscripted. -Roxy the dog. bark 13:46, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
Dad (89) says he didn't do that. -Roxy the dog. bark 14:12, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
Furthermore, dad just phoned me, rather upset about all that stuff about Collins on teh Internetz, wanting to know where that crap about Monaco came from. "He didn't live in Monaco at all", he said. He may have stayed there on a yacht, but he didn't avoid National Service by doing that. -Roxy the dog. bark 15:51, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

If all the sourcing there is for this Monaco yacht nonsense is reliant on an interview with a woman about something that happened more than fifty years in her past by a reporter from "The Kidderminster Shuttle", then this should be removed as not verifiable. It is more likely that Collins was trying to bed the lady concerned, and this memory should not be the only thing that supports the avoiding conscription by living on a yacht in Monaco text. Unless this can be verified I shall remove it, and other speculation around the subject, from the article. -Roxy the dog. bark 16:49, 8 July 2017 (UTC)