Talk:Peter the Painter

Jewish Immigrants

Since there is no mention of Peter the Painter or the other members of the Sidney Street gang being Jewish, I am not sure why the line about Jewish emigrants is included. There were many emigrants of all races and religions. I have therefore altered the first sentence of the Biography section of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bkesselman (talk • contribs) 16:51, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Mauser C96

Ever since I was a kid, in London, I've always heard (the incorrectly named) "Luger PO8" being refered to as a "Peter The Painter." A Mauser C96 is not really small enough to be carried, "concealed about the person" by the average anarco:) Cheers, 'Arry Boy (talk) 18:32, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

The Mauser and not the Luger is the gun known to Irish revolutionaries c.1920 as a "Peter the Painter". Although it was a foot long and weighed nearly three pounds, it was carried by Hartmanis ('Gardstein') at Houndsditch -- he had a special pocket made in his trousers for it, according to Donald Rumbelow's account -- and Mausers were also apparently carried by both of the Sidney Street gunmen, Fricis Svars and Jaszeps Sokolovs. The Mauser, with its 10-round magazine, was the most powerful handgun in the world at that time -- the Colt .45 1911 and the Luger 1908 fired cartridges with greater stopping power inside 20 paces, but the Mauser outpunched them beyond very short range and it also packed more rounds -- and it was the weapon of choice for terrorists in London, easily enabling them to hold off the Metropolitan Police, who had nothing better than the Webley .44 Bulldog revolver, a tiny five-shot piece that was deadly within ten feet but useless beyond that, and very slow and troublesome to reload. Khamba Tendal (talk) 19:57, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

In the first line of this article can we have some detail regarding his political motivation. Perhaps instead of referring to the Latvian gang, as criminals, some detail could be given regarding their politics and some further reference to anarchism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.145.154 (talk) 07:36, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

These people were criminals. They were thieves and murderers. Their masturbatory political hobbies really do not matter. As it happens, Zhaklis ('Peter the Painter') was not an anarchist but a Leninist communist who quit the Latvian Social Democrats in 1906 when they voted to give up violence and use parliamentary means. He had of course taken part in the robbery of the Russian State Bank at Helsinki in February 1906, in which the robbers murdered a bank guard, in order to gain a couple of million dollars at present-day values to subsidise Lenin's bourgeois lifestyle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1906_Helsinki_bank_robbery (The money did in fact go to Lenin, who did in fact live on it.) With about ten others, including Houndsditch killer Hartmanis / 'Gardstein' and Sidney Street gunman Svars, Zhaklis formed the 'Pats -- vards un darbs' ('The Same In Word And Deed') group to carry on international terrorism, which took the strangely convenient form of robberies to subsidise their own lifestyle, exactly like any other common criminals. https://www.katesharpleylibrary.net/rjdgpg After Houndsditch, Zhaklis fled to Australia, where his end is not known. Khamba Tendal (talk) 19:57, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

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