Talk:Political abuse of psychiatry

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Psychiatric reprisals[edit]

There doesn't seem to be anything in Wikipedia about this subject. I'm wondering if it would be appropriate to add information about reprisals to this article, or link to a new article?

For example, there's the case of Russell Tice, who was rewarded for his whistleblowing with a psychiatric evaluation saying he was "mentally unbalanced", leading to his dismissal.[1] Since the reprisal came from a government agency, that seems like a political abuse of psychiatry.Jeremystalked(law 296) 05:29, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:49, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Political abuse of psychiatryPunitive psychiatry — The current name is problematic both because it is subjective and limits itself to political matters when the cat contains items related to racism, classism, etc. "Punitive" may not be a perfect term either so I'm open to other ideas but I think it's much closer and it mirrors the existing Punitive psychiatry in the Soviet Union article. (If this move is successful, I plan on proposing to rename Category:Political abuses of psychiatry as well as Category:Victims of psychiatric repression, which is currently nominated for deletion.) RevelationDirect (talk) 05:16, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

  • Strong oppose. An article is quite capable of presenting POV issues in a neutral way, as explained at WP:NPOV. The nominator's rationale appears to be more suited to discussion on category names than to an RM, and it appears to be confusing an article with the much tighter limits which apply to a category which is applied to individuals, where the title of the category appears without qualification or alternative perspectives. Also, the scope of this article is, at is says on the tin, alleged Political abuse of psychiatry. Punitive psychiatry is a much much wider topic. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:06, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose. The term used most frequently in the article Political abuse of psychiatry and in most sources cited in this article is political abuse of psychiatry. Psychiatrick (talk) 16:58, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

abuse of psychiatry[edit]

abuse of psychiatry is a red link. I wonder, if abuse of psychiatry only political? Should this article be moved there, or are we missing a broader, overview class article? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 22:44, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm a latecomer to this discussion, but it's an interesting proposition. Maybe the reason there is no article Abuse of psychiatry is that it would be very difficult for us to decide what constitutes abuse. There's general agreement that the practice of locking political dissidents up in asylums is abuse, but on other matters it's less clear. I'm not sure if you've ever had the displeasure of slogging through Foucault, but he would posit that the entire profession was merely the manifestation of the bourgeoisie class punishing deviance in order to foster a more compliant workforce. Others, from Andrew Scull to Robert Whitaker, have criticized psychiatrists as opportunists, looking to increase their prestige and their incomes by converting all human suffering and idiosyncrasies into pathology to be treated and medicated away. But there are vigorous and, I think, very legitimate arguments to the contrary, and I wouldn't go so far as to classify these things as abuse. I am surprised that there is no article criticism of psychiatry, though. Keihatsu (talk) 09:08, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
There is a good article on anti-psychiatry. Maybe criticism of psychiatry should be an additional name for this article. DonPMitchell (talk) 01:13, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Stand-alone article for China?[edit]

I'm interested in creating a proper article for Political abuse of psychiatry in China (there are similar article for Russia and the Soviet Union). It looks like the China section of this page is already much longer than other country sections. If the material is reorganized and updated with some more recent studies and reports, I think there would be enough to make a stand-along article. Has this idea been discussed before, or are there any thoughts? Also, would anyone be interested in contributing to such a page? Keihatsu (talk) 09:17, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

The idea to create a proper article for Political abuse of psychiatry in China has not been discussed before, but I think the idea is good. The China section of this page is indeed much longer than other country sections but needs to be expanded to become a stand-alone article. I don’t have sufficient materials, studies, and reports to create the article Political abuse of psychiatry in China by myself. If you have sufficient materials, you are welcome to create it. --Psychiatrick (talk) 10:27, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Yes, at present article is not long enough to split, but I have created a Political abuse of psychiatry in China redirect, which can be added to the See also lists etc in other articles. Johnfos (talk) 01:08, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
According to the annotation to the 2006 book by Robin Munro China's Psychiatric Inquisition, "on the basis of extensive archival research into several decades of China’s legal and psychiatric literature, the study concludes that the use of psychiatric custody against dissidents and other similar groups has been more widespread in China than it was in the former Soviet Union." It suggests that the article Political abuse of psychiatry in China can be much longer than the article Political abuse of psychiatry in the Soviet Union. Psychiatrick (talk) 03:56, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

If you keep on slandering China, we will inform the Chinese government and good luck. Last guy who tried to oppose didn't eat supper that day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:21, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Any chance of using words that are not entirely subjective?[edit]

I see the following errors:

There are 6 uses of ″many″ that could be replaced with actual examples of whatever there are ″many″ of.

5 uses of ″long″ are used that have an official length of time that was never mentioned in the article.

″Particularly pernicious″ is in a sentence at the end of the first paragraph that contributes no information besides ″dictators are bad″.

An article about diagnoses is taken out of context to imply that all medical diagnoses are inherently a form of deliberate oppression

The use of ″monolithic″ includes nothing that illustrates what makes the state monolithic, making the scope entirely subjective.

The phrase ″abundant in history″ is used when simply listing the governments immediately following the phrase would have sufficed.

No mention is made as to the effects of the ″damaged credibility″ of psychiatry in Europe or the USSR, despite it being four sentences long.

It mentions the usage by China and the USSR, but never explains any of said usage.

″Several thousand″ is not a number. If that many children were locked up, something somewhere probably says the exact number, since even a censored government would have to make sure every single one was still there, and that would require record-keeping.

Gathering ″a large amount of literature″ means you need to provide examples of said literature. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not just something you type in and get a yes or no answer on whether something exists.

We already know it was ″a very repressive and harse regime″. The name of the page has ″abuse″ in it. *How* is it repressive and harsh?

Of course opposition was not tolerated. That's why this article exists. We came here to know *how*.

What did the percentage ″increase quite rapidly″ to? What were the connections they made? Where are any of the examples? This is kind of a thing that has been famous since before the television. Examples exist somewhere.

How is it ″institutionally ingrafted″?

How does it ″seem to″ be more widespread? Numbers exist. The number is either higher or lower. It's either more widespread or not more widespread. If it seems that way, then it is, because that's what ″widespread″ means.

If it hardly ever leaks out, then why do people know it is even a thing?

An objective Encyclopedia is not the place to decide whether something is ″strange″. Is this the page for ″Strange″. No? Then why is it here?

What made the USSR identical. The differences were listed, but it was described as identical. What was the same?

How frequent is ″frequently caught″?

This is an encyclopedia. Leave the use of the word ″unfair″ to articles that directly relate to it, like cheating in a game or the use of copyrighted materials.

What made it ″half-hearted″? Examples, please.

What showed that it ″did not seem to care″?

This is just the summary and the section for China. An encyclopedia is an objective place for objective information. We get that dictators are bad. Without any objective information about the subject, the most that can be said is that someone somewhere claimed it happened, and willingly gave no details despite having a conscious choice whether to do so. (talk) 16:43, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

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