Talk:Putin khuilo!

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Translation[edit]

What does "as well as the current top of the Russia power" mean, in English?Royalcourtier (talk) 23:29, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

  • I translated it to "and the Russian leadership" because, clearly, that's what it was supposed to have meant.--Hatteras (talk) 21:26, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

For this amazing article, and for it being translated into 10 languages! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Semplar (talkcontribs) 22:54, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

8 Languages and nominated for speedy deletion at be:Пуцін хуйло!, песня und tr:Putin huylo!. Nobody needs this kind of Agitprop, especially on this low level. khuilo? if my kids would sang this i would have been washed them out their mouth... --Jack User (talk) 01:23, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
go ruwiki. --Jeromjerom (talk) 03:54, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Jack User you're Russian. you do not love the Ukrainian people--195.138.217.178 (talk) 10:57, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
I am russian? Da da... No, i am the Flying Spaghetti Monster. --Jack User (talk) 11:29, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
This so called song is an insult to the Ukrainian people, too. As Ukrainian I would not be so much moved into the vicinity of haters. --Jack User (talk) 12:25, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

There is no hate in this song. It makes people laugh! Such a full of himself politician can be called what he really is. The article states a popular opinion and created a discussion around the globe. Thank you for creating it. Oli sp (talk) 22:39, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Deleting of this article, including national versions will mean attempt to clear history. This song is already cultural phenomena that itself is mirror of current Russian-Ukrainian relationships. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.115.65.21 (talk) 10:04, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Attempting to present Wikipedia's crude insults as some kind of "cultural phenomena" is interesting. Far from reflecting popular opinion - or creating a discussion around the globe" - all the article does is to reflect a certain anti-Russian view within the US Elite. For how dare the Putin stand up and say NO to Uncle Sam? How dare the Russians attack the half-trained, US-backed, terror groups within Syria? Are not the folks attempting to claim there "is no hate in this song" the real Dickheads? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.16.146.159 (talk) 21:03, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

The chanters were from Kharkiv[edit]

It should be noted that chanters were mainly Russian speakers or native Russians from east Ukrainian Kharkiv (Kharkov), despite the claim that Russians in Ukraine all support Putin and Kremlin politics. Well done Kharkov (my native city)! --Anatoli (talk) 04:12, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Irrelevant postings from newcomers, evidently triggered by external campaigning
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Contested deletion[edit]

This page should not be speedily deleted because the "hate speech" nomination is blatantly false. There is no hate speech in the article whatsoever. The subject is notable and the article is neutral and well-referenced --Nrakh (talk) 06:23, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Contested deletion[edit]

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --Querist (talk) 07:31, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Well resourced and heavily urgent!

Contested deletion[edit]

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --134.249.174.74 (talk) 07:33, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia is library and library should contain all kind of information about outstanding people who lived on planet earth. Our kids should know good or bad about them so they will have chance to learn on our mistakes not on their own.

Thank you.

Contested deletion[edit]

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (it's a phenomenon of naming of ruler of some Slavic people, which has negative meaning and can be considered as abuse. To my knowledge it's first time in a history for abusive naming to be so wide spread and belong to family of Slavs. It's great example of reaction on forcing to opposition and negating of strongly coupled systems. "Putin Huylo" is a backfire for fighting and killing of self alike) --195.137.197.36 (talk) 07:52, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Contested deletion[edit]

This page should not be speedy deleted as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax, because this article has valuable content. A lot of people does not know and would like to know that "Putin khuilo!" means --Iomark04 (talk) 09:43, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I myself found that this song appeared on some online newspapers. Here is the list:

Alphama (talk) 09:46, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2014[edit]

Alex Morlock (talk) 09:45, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

No actual request made. BencherliteTalk 09:52, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Against deletion[edit]

This is a valuable article. Well written and it is culturally very impoortant. The song is important part of Ukrainian sentiment towards Putin and as such deserves a dedicated article. It can also be used by pro-Russians as proof that their president is a target of vulgarity and disrespect and it is also needed as a pivotal point for other articles that will in the future have references to this one. 88.207.8.208 (talk) 10:39, 17 June 2014 (UTC) This is a very valuable page in terms of folklore and history. You can like it or not, but this is history, and this is what ukrainian people created. It's popular in Ukraine. We call leaders dictators, because they are dictators. It doesn't matter they like it or not. If Hitler chose to have a war, everybody knows it. The fact is that the song does exist, the song about putin agressor is there in Ukraine, and it shouldn't be hidden. It's a fact that it exists, and if it is democracy it should not be hidden, and especially when everybody already knows it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.101.198 (talk) 20:33, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2014[edit]

KEEP it. Everybody should be able to understand this song about PUtin Nosu (talk) 11:10, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Please discuss whether the article should be kept or deleted at the deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Putin khuilo!, not on the talk page. Thanks, NiciVampireHeart 11:44, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

This article should be deleted, and fully match criteria for Speedy deletion.[edit]

June 2014[edit]

Please do not create pages that attack, threaten, or disparage their subject. Attack pages and files are not tolerated by Wikipedia and are speedily deleted. Users who create or add such material may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Thank you. Nuclearcat (talk) 11:43, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

This is basically attack page, just insult for political leader, and doesn't have any informational value.
It written in russian with transliteration to english letters, so english wikipedia administrators will not recognize verbal abuse and swearing language used in this article.
Criteria of speedy deletion: category G10: Pages that disparage, threaten, intimidate or harass their subject or some other entity, and serve no other purpose.

Nuclearcat (talk) 11:41, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Leave this song because it reflects the Ukrainian protest against Russian aggression. This song has received worldwide publicity. There worldwide newspapers discussed on its pages of a song the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine. It condemns Putin's war against Ukraine. Performing songs Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine is a phenomenon in international politics. Implementation Minister song written by football fans is to support public diplomacy. This fact has not gone unnoticed by the officials of the aggressor country - Russia. This song shows the influence on international politics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.84.77.238 (talk) 13:24, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Leave this page to be. The song has become a part of Ukrainian folklore reflecting current political events and people's relation to the same. Despite the song is using one of the strongest Russian swear words, it should not humiliate the Russian nation (as the word is used by ordinary Russian men quite often). The 'H**-Lo' nickname for president Putin in the song is used to emphasize the frustration of Ukrainian people with a neighboring leader with imperial ambitions, in an understandable manner for Russian population. Majesti (talk) 17:21, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion[edit]

This page should be deleted. This page is usless, have no any informational value. It breaks WIKI policy.

It has following criterias for speedy delete:

  • G10. Pages that disparage, threaten, intimidate or harass their subject or some other entity, and serve no other purpose.
  • A7. No indication of importance (individuals, animals, organizations, web content, events)

This page was writen with russian language and transliteraion, it has a lot of russian idoims and expressions. This article pursuit only attack goal.
There is no place for such materials in Wikipedia.
--SterhTG (talk) 17:45, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Nonsense. We didn't write the news, and we don't censor it either. Besides, (I certainly hope) no admin would consider touching an article that is winning in a well-attended AfD. Wnt (talk) 17:51, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
No. And, besides, the speedy deletion was already discussed here and rejected.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:55, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
I do not see that here exists something about reject delete. There is clear policy break. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SterhTG (talkcontribs) 18:13, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
G10. Keywords are: and serve no other purpose. Purpose of article is to describes real existing song which was sang worldwide and being on news worldwide. A lot of people would like to know, what is "Putin huylo" and why people sing it. The main objective of Wikipedia is to share information, right? A7. Hello-o-o-o? High level of visitors on this page? Vandalism? Almost all Ukrainians know it and sang it? Worldwide news? Really, nothing important. Semplar (talk) 18:25, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Сancer cure - Important. Feeble mind,discourtesy - Not Important. Should We show how baser quality ? SterhTG (talk) 18:37, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2014[edit]

This article must be kept with the metion that a leader of a superpower demanded a resignation of a top diplomat of another country over this song.

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--> Skushnirov (talk) 17:59, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. - DJAMP4444 18:12, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations[edit]

English wiki has become a platform of political propaganda. pay attention оnly ukrainians say about massive international support for this chants. But they can be presented only news about Deshitsa. Meanwhile, the ukrainian press say news about this article as international support for Ukraine. Snake eats its own tail. For example image from ukrainian news https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/p235x165/10351578_591737357606882_8569085680111690102_n.jpg original http://fifa.1tv.com.ua/uploads/gallery/photo/2010/06/20/82add3c425ed7a186bc63e38e6395cdae989177b.jpg 31.23.1.42 (talk) 20:30, 17 June 2014 (UTC) Vlad Sh

I'm more surprised people expected anything different.

-g

We don't care about "massive international support". What matters is the chant/song has coverage in reliable sources. --NeilN talk to me 21:21, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Of course, I assume that as with any political meme there will be some comic photo alteration done by those not pretending to be reputable news sources. Come up with an external source that talks about the fakery and we can certainly include it. Wnt (talk) 21:23, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Kind of strange, or, is this a depiction of West-East "counter-conception"[edit]

Wrote here my thoughts regarding deletion, a while ago, and, now they are gone (archived in the memory, thanks to "byte's commander"), so, my question is: can anyone make an order, for the purposes of an article being (ant staying) an article in this media-room, or else, let's start searching the phrase in Russian, Ukrainian, Syrian, etc., media, and declare (silently), that w-pedia is not meant to be a source of knowledge? and is unable to perform so (Some 90% of litterates on this Planet would agree, I presume)~ Pietadè (talk) 21:16, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

@Pietade: I don't understand what changes you want to make to the article? --NeilN talk to me 21:26, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
As for changes, right now haven't seen it (the last version I saw was on its way to "in-gates" of perfection), the article I mean, so, some kind of stability would be nice; as for me: trying to make the Estonian counterpart of this article (was somewhere in the very beginning to start it) as good as possible; even managed to spot the ghost ru wi version, during the seconds their nth version was alive, and aquired from there the original version of the vers. with acting FM.
Seems kind of "Mission Impossible" to make changes right now, a kind of "truce" would seem reasonable. At least, depriving "agents" of different kinds (including GRU, CIA, feminists, martians, and their "grandchildren") of the possibility to spread their knowledge regarding songs, football, etc. The song has become into being, in 2012 at first, if I'm not mistaken, and, why, say, is some skiing incident, 8th illegal wife on some head of state, etc., more important, than say the prelude of WWIII? (sorry, to stay in line, I rephrase the "WWIII" into "world-wide and ever-lasting peace", among human beings, computers, elephants, and planets-tornados), (nighty night)
Looked at the article too, some changes regarding origin, wording, etc. might be able to make this art. able to survive, imho
by the way, there are 2 words in the heading, and both words are not attributable to any "living" people", as for me, I am not able to translate either of them; having lived and studied in RUS for some yrs, still unable to translate the 2nd word; comparison with f**k of US: can You provide the exact translation ;-) Pietadè (talk) 22:18, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Disapprove the idea of deletion[edit]

of this article, and, the comments I made earlier on this regard are still in force, deleted ones too. ~ Pietadè (talk) 23:43, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Contest deletion[edit]

(Forgive me if I somehow do this wrong, new user trying to figure out wiki!) This page should not be deleted because it provides helpful information about a popular culture phenomenon that began in Ukraine and spread across the world (just today I saw it referenced by South Korean soccer fans at the world cup). The likening of this article to the article on "Hitler has got only one ball" seems apt and therefore speaks to the political and historical value of this entry's content. There is no reason for deletion as long as neutrality is maintained by editors. MissKatie89 (talk) 03:29, 18 June 2014 (UTC)MissKatie89

  • Why was my comment included in a group that was hidden as 'irrelevant postings by newcomers evidently caused by outside campaigning'? I am new to editing wiki, but the comment was my own contribution to the discussion of deletion and the article was not brought to my attention by someone seeking to avoid its deletion, I came upon it on my own. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MissKatie89 (talkcontribs) 14:07, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Contested deletion[edit]

Few facts: Putin khuilo is a popular slogan that was/is used popularly on massive scale during contemporary military conflict. It has been used by people, soldiers, politicians, government officials and reported in a number of the most elite western publications. Anyone who think that the Wikipedia need to classify this page as some vulgar expression that was spray-painted under the bridge in Bronx need to examine all facts. This conflict involves the two most powerful ex-Soviet countries in an epic, East vs. West and Progress vs. Regression, struggle. Conflict that has already proven to be the most important geopolitical event of the 21st century, with potential to reshape the world's geopolitical balance. Putin khuilo is a popular slogan, born from the people, it is a part of the modern history and Wikipedia should keep it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Localalex (talkcontribs) 04:12, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Protest song[edit]

If you want to sing a protest song, then sing a song. But this here is merely a vulgar obscenity that no one takes seriously. Do you want to be taken seriously? Then you behave that way. A non-Russian. --Jack User (talk) 09:18, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Wiki must not judge phenomenon. It's exists, widespread, and so - must be here. 92.49.208.82 (talk) 09:28, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Engwiki judges everything. This is why i call Engwiki a dump. I also exist. And i am a phenomenon, btw. --Jack User (talk) 11:26, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
You aren't as widespread. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.105.30.100 (talk) 13:44, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Correct translation[edit]

"Khuilo" is actually neutered form of "dick". "Khui" - "dick", "lo" - neutering ending. 92.49.208.82 (talk) 09:22, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

the term has wide range of meanings in russian, from "liar" to "non-person" and also "soother". it contains full spectrum of terms like "naught", "prick", "schmuck" etc. Сёма Мрачный (talk) 07:04, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Suffix "lo" in Serbo-Croatian (a Slavic language with loan words and shared meaning in Ukrainian) [1] USchick (talk) 07:18, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
the term has also meaning of the term - "the one who only brutal fuck someone" (special thanks for google-translator) Andy Werner176.193.135.144 (talk) 02:00, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
In your morbid imagination it would mean anything, but in Russian and Ukrainian the meaning of "хуйло" have nothing common with "fucker" and sex at all. I think that "asshole" is the most exact translation.
Nonsense. When you use such words you don't care for their meaning. It's only the level of obscenity that needs to be translated. “Putin is a big fuck” is a correct translation. - 37.9.29.40 (talk) 19:53, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Need discussion[edit]

It seems to be this article needs some discussions as well as some admins here. Alphama (talk) 09:42, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protection[edit]

I have applied semi-protection to this article for a week, which will prevent editors without an autoconfirmed account making changes, as the article was being improperly blanked. If you have a specific request for an edit to improve the article, please edit this talk page and add {{edit semi-protected}} with details (click on it to see the instructions for use). I have also tidied up this talk page. There is no need to contest the speedy deletion of this article as it is not being considered for speedy deletion (I have already declined it). BencherliteTalk 09:52, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes I also don't think this article belongs to the speedy deletion case. Alphama (talk) 10:01, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
I AfDed it. I do not think it is a speedy deletion material.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:08, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2014[edit]

A very good day to you. I (a Danish journalist operating out of Kyiv for 10 years) suggest the following add to the language/translation section: The core of the swearword huilo is hui, literately dick, suggesting that the enhanced version hui-lo translates into dick-head.

The word hui is however the strongest swearword in Russian, stronger than dick in English, prompting a fair translation of hui in itself into a stronger swearword than dick, say dickhead or asshole.

The neutrum suffix -lo is derogatory in Russian because somebody "it" who is not even male or female is disrespected, dehumanized.

Therefore the -lo suffix enforces the derogatory effect of the already very strong obscenity hui and promts a translation of huilo into "miserable dickhead" or even "disgusting asshole." Easttripper (talk) 11:48, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 12:08, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Hmm.. Description of "huilo word" is good, but article is all about the song, not about swear word. Semplar (talk) 18:14, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
So the article is not about insulting the Russian people? (And the band played, Believe It If You Like!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.16.146.159 (talk) 21:17, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Adding sources from mass-media[edit]

Chant or song[edit]

This chant has nothing common with the ukrainian folk songs! --Perohanych (talk) 18:15, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Similarity to classical "Hitler Has Only Got One Ball" song[edit]

If we are deleting this article, we obviously should also delete Hitler Has Only Got One Ball. What is the difference between these two cases? 91.207.105.12 (talk) 19:52, 17 June 2014 (UTC) Alkor

  • Agreed, I also draw parrallels between these two Mykobox — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.111.194.3 (talk) 14:08, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  • The first is obscene, and the second is not. No more difference, probably. - 37.9.29.40 (talk) 20:03, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

We need more on the exact meaning and origin[edit]

There are some things I still don't understand about this:

  • It's clear that the song predates many of the officials speaking it, since the chants start up right away. Is there any comment on whether the song circulated informally before any official at all said the magic words?
  • What exactly does "Putin huilo" mean? For example, saying that "Putin is a dick" in English wouldn't literally mean he is a penis; a better translation would be that "Putin is someone who wouldn't hesitate or regret doing bad things to people if it is convenient for him". But with Putin and Surkis before him, was this the actual meaning? The way people say "la la la la la la la la" in English would tend to be taken as a comment that someone's words are meaningless, and the English wikt:hooey is possibly taken from hui. So I suspect but most certainly can't prove that what the song really is indicating is that whatever Putin says (like that he's withdrawing troops) is a bunch of ... hooey. Can anyone rule this in or out as an interpretation, even based on personal knowledge of Ukrainian? (Though of course we need a source to put it in the article proper)

Wnt (talk) 17:09, 17 June 2014 (UTC) -- comment was deleted by someone who didn't watch their edit conflicts; reposted. Wnt (talk) 20:00, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

That means “Putin is a big fuck”. Its main intent is to create the feeling of disgust, it isn't actually trying to say anything beyond that someone is very bad and disgusting. Also, many people enjoy to use the obscene language. - 37.9.29.40 (talk) 19:56, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Yes, that's exactly what it means. Exactly what you describe. The song is a play on words between huylo and hello. According to the song, Putin is trying to rest, but the Ukrainians are disturbing him, under his window, chanting "Putin, Hello!" That's why the media is able to play the song without any problems, because the title of the song is Putin Hello. A name change of this article would clear this up and make it more acceptable. According to this article [2] the only people upset are Russian people who don't speak English. This is a serious claim being made by the band Teleri. USchick (talk) 06:50, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
This is not true at all. This Teleri's claim was obviously a joke. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.151.71.40 (talk) 22:35, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
It's far from true. "la la la la la la la la" is just a funny vocalise. The meaning of "huilo" was explained quite accurately by Easttripper in his edit request above. The chant can be translated as just "Putin is a prick", that's it, without much meaning, but with a strong emotional component. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.151.71.40 (talk) 22:25, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Is there a source saying that it's "obviously" a joke? Because it's also a direct response to the political ploy of saying one thing and doing another, like invading a country and claiming that it wasn't you, while singing la la la la la. USchick (talk) 22:50, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Before answering you, I'd like to know what exactly are you asking me about. To be clear: I didn't say that "Putin khuilo" song is purely a joke (I agree it has significant social and political value), I said that Teleri's claim about the primacy of "Putin hello" was obviously a joke. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.151.71.40 (talk) 23:51, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Do you have a source that Teleri was joking? It's not as "obvious" as you may think. USchick (talk) 01:48, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Ok. After a bit of googling I found this one: http://joinfo.ua/politic/914883_Putin-hello---noviy-muzikalniy-klip-gruppi-Teleri.html. It says: "A Ukrainian band "Teleri", using tunes of a folk hit "Putin khuilo" which became highly popular lately, composed its own song "Putin hello" and made a joky video for it." Another source is the "Double entendre" section of this wiki page in its current state (note the "tongue-in-cheek" phrase). Actually the irony behind Teleri's claim is so obvious to Ukrainians and Russians (I guess you are neither Ukrainian nor Russian) that your source just didn't need to explain it to its readers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.151.71.40 (talk) 08:47, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Proposed name change[edit]

I propose a name change for this article to Putin Hello! This article should be about the song that's being played in the media, which is titled "Putin Hello!" It's a Double entendre meant to be understood by people who understand the meaning of the word "Hello" which is just about everyone. There are two meanings. 1. The Ukrainians are chanting "Putin Hello! lalalalalalala" which means that people are asking him to listen. 2. In the second version, "Putin huylo! lalalalalalala" means that Putin is a dickhead, and no one is listening to him, because the people are the ones with the power (to overthrow governments). This is a news report (in Ukrainian) that explains the Double entendre in the song with the substitution of the English word "Hello" and the unmistakeable meaning. [3] Reliable sources are reporting about the rallying cry "khuylo" which has been used in other ways as well, or they report about the song "Putin Hello!" As it stands right now, a one time event of a politician saying "Putin khuylo" does not warrant an encyclopedia page. USchick (talk) 05:50, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

  • Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. English news reports use "Putin khuilo" when referring to the song. --NeilN talk to me 10:36, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
People are complaining that this is hate speech and against BLP. If that argument is successful (we'll see), one way around it is to create an article about the song "Putin Hello!" It may not be necessary, we'll see. USchick (talk) 20:29, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
This is surely not hate speech, as it is directed at a specific person. As for the infamous crime of blaspheming politicians, we had that debate, and it was an ugly knock down drag out affair, people on a certain side demanding deletion and telling us all we had no ethics, which eventually led to Santorum (neologism) being renamed to Campaign for santorum neologism, which shows us (a) the merits of designing a title by committee and (b) in the end we decided to keep the target's name in the meme article. Wnt (talk) 00:04, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Great story, thank you for sharing! Well, at least there's a precedent as to how to treat a similar article. What's truly historic about this event is that Russia Today is covering the story even though it puts Putin in a bad light. RT is considered an "unreliable" news source on Wikipedia because they never say anything bad about Putin. Maybe this event will provide RT with more credibility. USchick (talk) 01:03, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Strong Oppose If Russia Today is so credible then they should have some write up in Disinformation about them. I noticed that the old KGB has some mention there. Only fitting that that propaganda wing also be included. BTW South Korean's had their flag with "Putin Huilo" embolded on it during the recent 2014 FIFA World Cup Group H against Russia. A pity we can put an image of that here in this article. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 14:21, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

And Italy, And Israel[edit]

People from there sing it too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHiQ4-gV3BA — Preceding unsigned comment added by Semplar (talkcontribs) 13:50, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Israel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_a6kCtH1UM Semplar (talk) 05:19, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Recommend to Not Delete[edit]

I recommend the article not be deleted due to the significance of "Putin Khuilo" in these areas:

1. At the time the chant was first made and recorded, it was not certain whether Kharkiv as a city would move towards the Russian separatists or towards a united Ukraine with the west of the country, and the euromaidan movement. Kharkiv is strategically significant as Ukraine's largest city in the east (and second largest in the country), and very near the Russian border. Regardless of profanity, the emergence of this chant by the "ultra" football fans of the Kharkiv Metalist team made a clear statement that many young men in Kharkiv identified and support an independent Ukraine, and not a union with Russia. 2. At about the same time the Putin Khuilo chant was circulated in social media, the various ultra football clubs had made statements on their websites on behalf of their members that they would support and protect the maidan protestors, and that they "were not for sale". One can say that they were taking an important ideological stand against corruption, one of the biggest problems in Ukraine. 3. Many feared and the Russian government claimed repeatedly that fascist sympathizers were a major problem in Ukraine. Many people expected the ultras- stereotypically football hooligans- to be fascist leaning "skinheads". The position of the ultras in support of maidan can be seen as a predictor of the later election in which the far right parties received very few votes. 4. This was a chant by football fans, not university educated intellectuals or diplomats. But they are still a socially relevant group (these are young men of about the age of those who do most of the actual killing in war, and also die from it). They used the language that is colloquial to them. 5. Many people in Ukraine who were also opposed to Vladimir Putin and the Russian governments' aggression were emboldened by this chant. It became a motivating rallying cry for them. 6. Many have described the asymmetric aspects of the war in Ukraine. This chant can be seen as a social response by the civilian population to the many (financial, military, information/propaganda...) asymmetries in which Russia has held more power than Ukraine. 7. Linguistically it is also an interesting phenomenonon, in areas such as etymology and how a vulgarity becomes accepted into common usage. Russian and Ukrainian apparently have many colorful vulgarities that give their languages unique and expressive character. Elishagraves (talk) 05:56, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Nothing really interesting linguistically. It's just that obscenity *is* accepted by many both in Russia and in Ukraine; that doesn't mean that word somehow stops to be a very (!) disgusting obscenity. Ultras would use an obscenity just for the fun of using such language. Some don't mind hearing it, because they prefer disgust to Putin. There's nothing more to this “acceptance”. - 37.9.29.40 (talk) 20:21, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

More on the origins[edit]

I believe this chant became highly popular in Ukraine after this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=447lXe1Y2tE. (If anyone can provide an earlier source, go ahead. I can witness that it became popular in a day, many of us were watching it on March 31 and enjoying it a lot, yet couldn't foresee this chant gaining worldwide popularity soon.)

I think this link is worth including in the article. It seems reasonable to replace [2] with this link, illustrating "Initially chanted by FC Metalist Kharkiv fans". BTW there were not only FC Metalist Kharkiv fans but also FC Shakhtar Donetsk fans chanting it at that march (there was a match between those clubs that day). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.151.71.40 (talk) 00:07, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Contempt for Putin[edit]

"Putin khuilo" chant reflects not only protest and anger of Ukrainian people against Putin and his politics, but also their great contempt for Putin, as a small despicable person with a great political power. (See the explanation of the word "khuilo" in Easttripper's edit request above.) Statements like this are often found in forums and blogs: "Putin wanted to go down in history as a new Hitler, a "gatherer of Russian lands", but went down in history as a khuilo." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.151.71.40 (talk) 00:49, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

To Russia, With Hate
Far from being some kind of I Am Charlie protest, does not this crude song show nothing but US contempt for Russia and its' people?

Notes image[edit]

The next image could be also added to the article:

(Sorry, but such kind of wikipediying is outside my area of expertise!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.193.167.7 (talk) 12:29, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Putin-Huilo star[edit]

Star KIC 9696936 was named after the song "Putin-Huilo" within the project "Pale Blue Dot" to support astronomical research efforts of the White Dwarf Research Corporation. The object location in outer space: Right ascension: 18h 59m 47.09s Declination: 46° 26′ 44.0″ R-Band magnitude: 11. CaterpillarOfDeath (talk) 14:05, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Is this considered RS? Announcement [4] Adopt a Star [5] search for Putin huilo [6] USchick (talk) 04:58, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
The star is proposed for deletion. Feel free to comment on the article TYC 3541-945-1 USchick (talk) 19:54, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Abbreviations[edit]

It’s pretty clear what птн х̆ло (PTN KhʸLO) means, but how would you expand птн пнх (PTN PNKh)? Michael Z. 2014-07-09 01:36 z

PNKh (ПНХ) stands for "poshel na khuy" ("пошел на хуй") which translates as "get the fuck off". (Literal translation is something like "go sit on a dick".) So it means PTN GTFO.
No, it's worse. In indirect translation it actually means "Putin, go fuck yourself". By the way, you can say a big thank you to those who keep reverting this information for the article itself to the point that people have to come to Talk to ask about it. Your genius knows no limits, guys. 24.201.216.214 (talk) 04:40, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Contested deletion[edit]

На этой странице не должно быть быстро удален из-за... (Оскорбление государственных деятелей!) --Genadyy (talk) 20:12, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

This is the English Wikipedia, and you are expected to write in English. Concerning your point, the article just survived an AfD discussion, and certainly not amenable to speedy deletion. Further edit warring from your side will result in a block.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:26, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
You have like 7 accounts in several different Wikipedias, so don't make it appear as if you and the Russian Wikipedian are two different people. I am already shutting up a lot about seeing your username almost everywhere I go. Thanks, 24.201.216.214 (talk) 04:36, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Star names and Dwarf Research Corp.[edit]

Section Star seems based on a fake. As per a branch of this discussion at ru-wiki, no official or semi-official new names are being accepted for stars. See the International Astronomical Union official statement here.

White Dwarf Research Corp. (the source of the news) is a private non-profit organization and their "Adopt a Star" fund-raising initiative has no astronomical endorsement neither encyclopedic value of any kind.

The initiative by itself has zero name moderation so it was attempted (fully successfully) to "register" a white dwarf Kill-President-Obama in Capricorn. It does additionally demonstrate the risk of taking some private initiatives with no academical endorsement as a source of news in view of WP:LIVE limitations. --NeoLexx (talk) 09:17, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Proposal to remove[edit]

This article has a questionable historical value. At the same time it is strongly important for the subject. It provides a key part of meme's greatly exaggerated original popularity and a significant part of it's existence. No doubts, the article is the biggest part of meme's international renown (which is principally in not English-speaking countries), much bigger than a few events caught on video. It is very important part of the meme itself. It can not be not insulting for many people also. Thus the article is nothing more than a part of political propaganda of negative relation to Putin and it should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ommmmm (talkcontribs) 13:53, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

However, it has gotten coverage in very reliable sources including the Guardian and Washington Post. Based on that, it appears to be notable per WP:GNG. —C.Fred (talk) 14:07, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Also, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Putin khuilo! for more reasons. --NeilN talk to me 14:12, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
No, it is not true. A blog on Washington Post's site is not a reliable source. And there is one sentence about the chant in the article in the Guardian, and all other part is about the minister's incident. According to general notability guideline, significant coverage is more than a trivial mention.
Also Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion. This article is nothing more than a political propaganda because of it's significance for the meme. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ommmmm (talkcontribs) 05:55, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
You obviously haven't read the myriad of sources. Not a blog. And this is a WP:NEWSBLOG. --NeilN talk to me 06:00, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Myriad? Then there would be enough proper examples. But almost every of them are about the incedent and have just a trivial mention of the chant. Guardian, WSJ, Le Monde, ABC. Rferl (not neutral), Atlantic (the same author, the same article as in rferl), and 2 blogs on WP (it's authors are not in the list of notable contributors) wrote enough. NZZ is the only appropriate case. The others are Zhytomyr newspaper's Saturday level or blogs. Thus these articles are mostly about other things, barely mention the chant and easuly could have been written if Deshchytsia used another obscene word.
I'm saying again this article is a political propaganda of ongoing process itself, and wikipedia is a not suitable place for such yellow things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ommmmm (talkcontribs) 13:10, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
You're obviously misguided as what is yellow. Red-light district Porn stars have articles on WP and this is mild in comparison. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 14:17, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Putin khuilo! featured on The Simpsons?[edit]

It is claimed here (on a Ukrainian news website) that the opening credits of The Simpsons (season 26) will feature opening credits in which Bart Simpson will write Putin khuilo! on the blackboard... I am not sure if this is real or a fake clip the source shows... It has to be noted that former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych was portrait as a "Ukrainian gangster" in the Simpson episode The Falcon and the D'ohman (if not at least Ukraine was...). So it might that there is a pro-Ukrainian writer active in the Simpsons team.... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:53, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Since it could be fake, let's wait for a better source. Though the Simpsons do seem more tuned into Ukrainian culture than most.--Milowenthasspoken 20:26, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
I have the clip. It is authentic.--Lute88 (talk) 23:25, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
That episode had nothing to do with Yanukovych, even if the character's name was also Victor. As per the opening, it's fake and was created using Flash by some Ukrainian Canadians during summer. It's not going to air on Fox. 24.201.216.214 (talk) 04:32, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Objection to article[edit]

Only Ukrainian media affected man could believe this. Why is this article still here? According to rules it has the only appropriate source NZZ and it is nothing more than political propaganda (for which is no place in wikipedia)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ommmmm (talkcontribs) 06:54, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Consensus confirmed that this article stays in WP. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 14:15, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
It was a stange consensus. 32 Ukrainians (hurr durr... keep cause it's very important, it is a world phenomenon of great importance for the whole world, let's delete all about Hitler then, urban dictionary 4 times, less things have their articles), 4 Russians (one of which contributes in Ukrainian wp more), 2 Russian-speaking strangers (one with fake photo of Korean fans), 2 Poles, one Belarusian, Latvian, Swede-Ukrainophile of 58 voted for keeping have decided that the article is important for the world. The others are from the US (6), the UK (3), other English natives (4), Israel (1), 1 stranger. And several Ukranians else argued with opponents of the article.
At the same time 6 men from the US, 3 Russians, 2 English natives, 1 Ukrainian, Pole and German had much more balanced arguments. 2 Russians, 1 Ukrainian, 2 Americans and 1 English native argued also.
More or less adequate argument for keeping was that the article passes the notability criteria (I doubt about that). By the end of the discussion Russian Ukrainophile offered to call WikiProject Ukraine experts to determine an importance of the chant for their country (why?). Instead of that one of 'experts' declared that the article BARELY passes the notability criteria (How exactly it passes?), and there are many less important articles. Another expert suggested to remove the article or merge it with Deshchytsia's article. And he is one of two adequate Ukrainians in this thread alone with the other one, who said that Ukrainians and Russians should not decide anything about the article. If it was so the article would not exist.
One man was convinced by The Independen, which refers to the incident and barely mentions the chant. The Guardian, Le Monde, ABC, Israel HaYom the same. Lidové noviny the same, no a word about the chant, WSJ about fans, 3 sentences about the chant, no history, no meanings, just mention. Süddeutsche Zeitung (no one word, delete it, it's fake source). The other man was convinced by The Atlantic (copypaste from RFLE, the same author). The RFLE is not a reliable source (discussed, but nobody care). NZZ (15 comments, all decries, that's how important this information for Swiss) is the only reliable source along with WP.
So, HOW does it fit the notability criteria? It does NOT.
An incident with Spanish king is not the same. It is much more significant and much more world spread due to status of the man who allowed to himself too much. The article is about the incident. Second, it is not insulting, it is not obscene, it is not propaganda. It is confirmed by content of the sources.
About Hitler's ball. First, incomparable significance (a lot of movies and other cultural sources, time-tested), not propaganda of ongoing process, it is history.
And all analogies means nothing because we have certain rules. According to them there is not enough reliable sources for the article about the chant and enough for the article about the incident. Furthermore, it is obviously a political propaganda and has extremely high importance for the meme. And I STILL have not received a reply on this statement.
Taking into account the yellowness of the article all over the text (Putin is mad and evil on the picture after the meme's greater success - the article in Wikipedia, Deshchytsia is happy and pleased being frightened by crowd and fired shortly; links on yellow sources and obcence information; yellow statment that the song recieved international coverege and then links on international coverege of the incident; total exaggeration in many aspects, especially about international interest and popularity; overwhelming interest to the article's existence by Ukrainian users) I do not understand how and who decided to keep this article? You just counted votes? What about propaganda? Let's open another discussion and delete this example of monkey behavior for the benefit of Wikipedia and human culture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ommmmm (talkcontribs) 12:58, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Posts here by single purpose accounts won't accomplish much. --NeilN talk to me 17:17, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Great. You should have started with this statement instead of sending me to the discussion about deletion (and also post this under a couple of dozens comments there). Now the FACTS are obtained and they speak for themselves. Everybody can check everything I said.
According to the general test for an SPA, my account is partly single-purpose. That means little because the facts are neutral by themselves and deletion of the article is not a propaganda (What can I can promote by this deletion?). I know what Wikipedia is not and my intentions are compatible with the goals of this project also. At the same time the article is a political propaganda of ongoing process, it is not neutral in parts and generally, it is written and kept by not neutral people in the mass, the sources are not suitable, and the consensus is not transparent. All this is in the facts in previous message. Waiting for another post about a pornstar, my propagandistic intentions and the myriad of reliable suitable sources instead of something straight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ommmmm (talkcontribs) 17:10, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
In other words: WP:IDONTLIKEIT.--Lute88 (talk) 19:14, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Re-read. Everyone, just pay attention to the facts instead of trying to discredit me. I see you guys are ok when someone says that the subject passes notability and you don't need any explanations. There are obviously WP:MASK, questionable accordance to WP:GNG, WP:BARE, not WP:INDY and secondary sources in the list of the main sources, fake links sometimes and WP:NPOV in this article. I've already shown this. According to general policy, Wikipedia is not for political propaganda. You all don't want to talk about it on the talk page, and it is strange because there was no serious discussion, there was a black box. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ommmmm (talkcontribs) 14:01, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
The only black box is your understanding into trying to delete this article which unfortunately is not going to work. Go try you strategy elsewhere. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 06:45, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Ok, everybody. If you can't say something straight, I will show you certain moves. First, this article is yellow. Look. "In May 2014, many media outlets reported that the Russian profanity khuilo entered the Urban Dictionary as a synonym for Vladimir Putin.[3][4][5][6][7]" There is not a word about synonymy in these sources. The sources [4] has no information about UD. So, this sentence will be like this: "In May 2014, many media outlets reported that the Russian profanity khuilo entered the Urban Dictionary.[3][5][6][7]"

Next. "The song has been performed outside of Ukraine, including in Mexico,[29] Japan,[30] the United States,[31] Canada, the Czech Republic,[32] Poland[33] and many other Western European countries.[34]" There is no link for Canada, in [34] there is not a word about other Western Eurioean countries, just Ukraine, Japan and the USA. There are single events with the participation of Ukrainians in the most of them, so, in order not to exaggerate the popularity of chant, the sentence will be like this: "The song has been performed outside of Ukraine several times, including in Mexico,[29] Japan,[30] the United States,[31] the Czech Republic,[32] Poland[33]." You may suggest some sources about Russia.

Next. "The song received attention from international newspapers such as The Guardian,[1] The Washington Post,[35] Süddeutsche Zeitung,[36] The Wall Street Journal,[12] Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty[37] and Le Monde.[38] It also received coverage from many leading national newspapers such as Gazeta Wyborcza,[39] Lidové noviny,[40] The Atlantic,[41] Israel HaYom,[42] and others.[43][44]". There is almost no truth. Read my previous posts and the sources. Almost all of them are about the incident and barely mention the chant. There is no a word about the chant and about the incident in [36]. RFE is not independent and The Atlantic's article is copypaste from RFE's author. The sentence will be like this: "The incident recieved attention from international newspapers such as The Guardian,[1] The Washington Post,[34][35] The Wall Street Journal,[12] and Le Monde.[38] It also received coverage from many leading national newspapers such as Lidové noviny,[40] Israel HaYom,[42] and others.[43][44]" It should be in a References by notable Ukrainian politicians, probably. "The song received attention from international and national newspaper such as The Washington Post,[34][35] Gazeta Wyborcza,[39] and Neue Zürcher Zeitung (in German)[44]"

Check my words.

If we want to be objective there should be new section called References by notable politicians in the world. Or we can rename and finish References by notable Ukrainian politicians.

I already told about Hitler (see Form Propaganda song), so the link should be taken away from secthion See Also because general common thing is propaganda. I am not considering this aspect for now. Significance, reliability of sources, time-testing are incomparable, but the link gives this significance to the article, as the article gives big significance to the chant.

And how all this was approved? Propaganda and lobbying is the answer. Any suggestions about these changes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ommmmm (talkcontribs) 10:18, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

  • You continue to write a lot of words which do not sway any inkling that this article will ever be deleted. Even more so with your so called moves. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 23:42, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
    • Wondering if user Ommmmm is just trolling? And to such people we don't talk. Also, we don't assume who is Ukrainian and who is Ukrainophile, we try not to mention it, and neither should you.--Mishae (talk) 05:23, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Russian Wikipedia issues[edit]

The Russian version of this article was deleted about 4 or 5 times for "irrelevance", after the last attempt the admins there blocked any further possibility of creation because of "conflictual situation in Russia-Ukraine topics" (a/p some forum policy there). I really don't want to edit war, but believe me when I say I would, because I find it unfair that such important information gets removed in this article and all the edits reverted for some "navel gazing"... This is really worth a mention or two. We didn't have it in the MH17, we didn't have in the Donbass insurgency article... For sake's sake, we MUST have a mention about it somewhere in this WP! Thanks, 24.201.216.214 (talk) 04:29, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Find reliable sources that cover it. Not Wikipedia. Not Wikipedia-focused sites. Not reddit. Not reddit comment threads. --NeilN talk to me 05:11, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
"reliable" http://samlib.ru/m/muratow_s_w/bukva.shtml Like this? 24.201.216.214 (talk) 05:17, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
My initial impression is it's not a reliable source. --NeilN talk to me 05:22, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Same here. In fact, here is what Samizdat is and is definitely not a magazine. Not to mention that Russian Wikipedia don't have an article on Samizdat Magazine either so I assume its self published source (like personal webpage).--Mishae (talk) 21:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
This ref illustrates the existence of a joke letter and hence reasonably reliable for the fact referenced. - üser:Altenmann >t 05:53, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm thinking that there would never be a possibility to mention it in any way possible without thorough consensus (on both this Wiki and the Russian one). No article in Russian exists documenting these events that could be deemed a RS by herein criteria. I'm presuming that as long as Putin stays in control of the centralized media, it won't happen. Sorry. --Whydoesitfeelsogood (talk) 23:43, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

In mainstream music (online videos)[edit]

Taken away from the Speedy Gonzales (song) article:

--Djadjko (talk) 01:45, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Psychoanalytic aspect[edit]

Taking into consideration the scale of media coverage it is a little strange that the psychoanalytic side of the phenomenon has not been covered in the article. The symbol is well-studied by psychoanalysts, and some of them, I presume, may have studied the meme. Those better at research and writing, please, pay a little of your attention to the topic. – Fobemipa (talk) 16:13, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Fobemipa - "the symbol is well-studied by psychoanalysts" - sources please? --NeilN talk to me 16:19, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Sigmund Freud covered it in “On Sexuality”. Jacques Lacan studied it, though I am not sure I can recall the works. I think something linking the symbol to sociology can be found in Henri Lefebvre's works. As I indicated earlier, I'm not good at research, so I'm afraid it will take me quite a while to get ready with the compendium outlining the scale of the studies. I happened to be present at some educated discussions of the topic, which make me sure about what I said. I started the section in the hope that someone much better prepared will pay their attention to the topic. — Fobemipa (talk) 16:51, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
@Fobemipa: See WP:SYNTHESIS. Sources must specifically discuss the topic of the article. --NeilN talk to me 16:56, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Sources specifically discussing the topic of the article is what I'm asking more experienced contributors to help with. I did what I could, I indicated that the description of the “mechanics” of the phenomenon could make the article more complete. I wish I could be of more help. — Fobemipa (talk) 17:09, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Use of the slogan in Russia vs. Ukraine issues[edit]

First of all, the very reason why no similar article exists in the Russian WP is because of the public opinion of Putin as a person. None of the so-called "criteria" which were put forward as reasons for its deletion generally meet Russian WP deletion criteria. Up to the last attempt, there was no discussion and no result drawn from it anywhere, and the only such result is to "protect Wikipedia from vandalism". I don't know about you, but Hitler Only Has One Ball doesn't seem to be very vandalizing to the image of Adolf Hitler, IMO.
Second, I can't agree with the fact that the slogan is used only in Ukraine (and Ukrainophone communities, so to speak), no matter how many times you would revert my edits (which isn't very nice, by the way, because I'm not vandalizing the article or anything). I've seen people in Ufa, Russia, shout the same thing this summer. I've seen Russian protesters in Canada shout it in front of the embassy (alongside the "Churkin - khuilo!" and "Lavrov - khuilo!" lines). In case you're not considering those to be RS, I would ask you to provide one that state those events are only pertaining to Ukraine, please. --Whydoesitfeelsogood (talk) 07:54, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

I only reverted you once, and left an extensive summary. I am not against rewriting this part of the lede, but in the way you formulate it it is just plain wrong - it makes an impression that it is a normal colloquial expression in Russia (the country with the biggest number of Russian speakers). I am open to how it could be reformulated. For the first part of your message, I do not quite understand what point you are going to make and why we should discuss Russian Wikipedia policies here.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:02, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
The first paragraph of my section referred to my earlier edit which I thought was reverted by you (only to find out that you've then reverted your own revert, for some reason). I would've been willing to add to this article the explanatory stance on why it doesn't exist in the Russian Wikipedia (without what you guys call the "navel gazing" part). But I can't. And won't be able to until RS in proper Russian appear and state pretty much the same NPOV on the subject as one would find herein. However, I'm not sure as to 'when' this would happen (e.g. 'not within the next 2-3 years'). This is for A.
Now as for B, please do concede for a moment that absolution and relativity are two different concepts. When one says "used in Ukraine", they're basically insinuating that the slogan is only used in Ukraine. Not Ukrainophone communities. But only in Ukraine (for, f.s.o.i., in "most" of Ukraine). A proper way to put it by your logic would be "by Ukrainians". But even this is incorrect, as I've been to many countries with considerable Russian population, as well as parts of the Russian Federation, and I saw that slogan in use. In fact, by 2015, every non-supporter of Putinism would use it. Therefore, the whole "Ukraine" insinuation here would be incorrect.--Whydoesitfeelsogood (talk) 08:50, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
The last statement is easy to disprove: I am a non-supporter of Putin and I am not using it. I would be fine with saying smth "Ukraine and Ukrainophone communities over the world", but I am absolutely not fine with making an impression that it is used everywhere. In fact, it is not widely used in Russia, and I doubt very much about its use in Kazakhstan.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:09, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Well, like I said, this March a group of protesters gathered outside the Russian Consulate in Montreal (where I reside) and they were shouting these slogans. Friends I knew from Ufa, for example. A week or so ago they posted a video on YouTube in which they sang the chant while watching football inebriated. Remark that I'm not saying that it has a popular vote in Russia, absolutely not. But I saw it being used amongst the youngest trenches of population, as well as by those who are immigrants to wealthier countries. I'll try to find a RS about this and I'll let you know. --Whydoesitfeelsogood (talk) 12:54, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Arsen Avakov section[edit]

Whereas I do not in principle question the fact that Russian troops might have participated in the Siege of Sloviansk, I do believe that (i) this fact is irrelevant to the article and does not add encyclopedic content, (ii) it should not be sourced by Ukrainan media only - for example, Ukrainian politicians and medis call DNR "terrorists", but we do not write in our articles "Sloviansk was liberated from terrorists" citing them.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:54, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Now IMO the section is clean from irrelevant detail. The sources did not say that this instance of chant was somehow associated with some particular mil even (eg celebrating or smth.) - üser:Altenmann >t 17:04, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
P.S. It is irrelevant that ru: troops there or there not; the fact that the chanters believe so is clearly of direct relevance. - üser:Altenmann >t 17:10, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, I think it is fine now.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:11, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Significance[edit]

What is the significance of this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.91.253.83 (talk) 02:03, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

See WP:GNG for why we have an article. --NeilN talk to me 02:40, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
I agree -- I just don't see how this article would be valuable in 20 years, or 50 years, or 100 years -- well, OK, some sport fans started chanting a song, well they used profanity, and media noted it... Not sure if it has any academic or encyclopedic value for the future generations. I believe this article does not qualify for WP:5P1. I also think that it violates WP:NOTBATTLE, WP:SOAP, and I suspect WP:NOTANARCHY. With all due respect, but the significance of the chant is very localized. However, I don't think the article should be deleted -- it could be discussed within another article, say Ukrainian crisis or Russian military intervention in Ukraine --Zafar (talk) 21:23, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

A useful link; the level of obscenity[edit]

A discussion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_filter/False_positives/Reports#37.9.29.40 .

I do hope that people speaking no other language than English are just equally shocked as those who speak native Russian at the article, regardless of their political affiliations. The slogan is intended to shock and create disgust, and so it should do. I am afraid that words like “dick” do not translate this shock well enough and visibly enough. The translation must be 1-st class obscene, and express vigorous disdain, and express nothing else, because the original slogan is not really meaningful (meaningful obscenities do not shock as much as meaningless ones do, so they don't work for the original purpose). - 37.9.29.40 (talk) 12:54, 19 June 2017 (UTC)