Talk:Ridda wars

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I am removing the external link; it is not what I would consider a credible source, it has little information related to this article, and it is strongly biased. Take, for instance, this quote from the article: "One shudders to think what would have been the fate of Islam, if Abu Bakr had, God forbid, failed in suppressing apostasy." Definitely not neutral. I'm replacing it with link to a short history of the insurgencies during Abu Bakr's rule. Kafziel 14:40, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


Death and taxes[edit]

From http://www.persocite.com/Orient/osullivan1.htm

The main reasons for the rise of apostasy being utilised as a source to kill those who are perceived of having left Islam, are often argued to have been derived from the circumstances following the death of Prophet Muhammad. When the Prophet died in 11AH/632AD, the new, early administration of the Islamic community faced a very dangerous situation, of some crisis. Widespread disorder arose throughout the Arabian peninsula, with many tribes refusing to pay forth their zakat. However, the tribes defended themselves stating that they had remained as devout believers within Islam, because they claimed that paying zakat was not one of the ‘Five Pillars’ of Islam. They also believed that the zakat was merely a tax to be paid to the government, which is why they refused to do so, as their commitment was to God’s Prophet, as opposed to an elected leader. However, this whole period of battles at that time, as repercussions to this refusal to pay the zakat tax, became known as Al-Ridda : The War of Apostasy.

--Striver 16:27, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


Non-Muslim view[edit]

"Most non-Muslims have a view close to the Sunni view."

Actually, most non-Muslims know nothing of this dispute and have no opinion. I'm a non-Muslim, and I don't know much, but from what I've heard, I'm unwilling to uncritically accept the claim of either party.

Timothy Usher 07:53, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

FALSE PROPHET???[edit]

There's a line in this article about a "false prophet". It seems absurd that a quasi-scholarly ;) article would state as fact opinions as to the merits of prophets. Couldn't someone come up with a better phrase? I haven't yet read the entire piece, but a reader starting out with this phrase expects little in the way of objectivity from the rest of it.

Adam Holland 16:08, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

The whole second section is unintelligable[edit]

I can't understand it. The grammar needs to be cleaned up.



I completly agree. Half the sentences make absolutly no sense and any information in the article is lost in the mire of confusion this article creates. Hopefully, someone with knowledge on this subject can help this article, which is perhaps the worst article I have ever read on Wikipedia. 71.17.19.139 (talk) 22:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Shi'a View[edit]

There is absolutely no credible evidence for Shi'a belief that the "Apostate" tribes were withholding their alleigance to Medina out of support for Ali's claim for the Caliphate, yet this article presents it as though it were a reasonable, fact-based conclusion.

What are you saying? That the Shi'ia's are wrong? Well then we can add "this is disputed." NPOV, remember, which in the end means your point of view gets a place equal to everyone esles Fudk (talk) 23:20, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikify & Syle[edit]

I added the Wikify template. This article needs a lot of work. Seems particularly biased (just check the lead paragraphs) and obviously not written by a native speaker of English (which isn't to say they are wrong). I wish I knew more about it to be able to research this more properly.

Too bad, I was looking forward to reading about it.

I've changed the Medinahs and Makkas to Medina and Mecca. That is how the cities are referred to in English. Bahrain was also written as "Behrain" (which wikilinked to a 1 line article about Pakistan). 翔太 「Shouta:talk」 22:09, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

How is it now? J S Ayer (talk) 01:05, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

PLAGIARISM[edit]

Hello. I didn't know much about the ridda wars and was reading a book (a pretty biased one at that) and was supplementing its information using wiki. I found large sections of this Wiki page are plagiarised and directly paraphrased from a book called "Khalid bin Al-Waleed. Sword of Allah. A biographical study of one of the greatest military generals in history. Author Liet-Gen. A. I. Akram. First Published 1969, version in my hand published 2007 edited by A.B. al-Mehri 2007 , publisher Maktabah Booksellers Birmingham." Chapter 12 and a few later chapters have had whole sentences / paragraphs and lists that have been copied ditto and are unattributed to the book. It's sad that the list of commanders sent by Abu Baker to fight the 'apostates' is directly lifted from the book as are other sections. It's really quite sad when people lift stuff from other books and do not attribute it. It's really important as the book in question is a hero-worshipping book about a Khalid bin Al-Waleed, and it also makes it clear that he also did some rather barbaric things to people like burning them alive on the instructions of Abu Baker, a fact the author of the book suggests is perfectly acceptable as the people were 'infidels'. Wiki is about correctly sourced thoughts and ideas not dogma being passed off illicitly using covert means of propaganda for a religious viewpoint. It's pathetic.

Just thought I'd pass the message on. And no I am not the author. I imagine he is probably long since dead as he was a general somewhere in the 1960s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EDITOR124000 (talkcontribs) 01:00, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

6 commands by Abu Bakr - completely unsourced[edit]

Under the heading "Campaign of Apostasy", at the end there is a list of 6 alleged commands by Abu Bakr. Where did this come from? Why isn't there a single reference? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.36.227.146 (talk) 23:58, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

I don't see this in secondary sources, including EI2 which also cautions about the contradictory and tendentious primary sources (used uncritically in this article in violation of WP:PRIMARY). Hence I've removed this passage. Eperoton (talk) 01:24, 19 March 2017 (UTC)