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Event Schedule Overview

Flight Day 1

• Launch • Payload Bay Door Opening • Ku-Band Antenna Deployment • Shuttle Robotic Arm Activation and payload bay survey • Umbilical Well and Handheld External Tank Photo and TV Downlink

Flight Day 2

• Atlantis’ Thermal Protection System Survey with Shuttle Robotic Arm/Orbiter Boom Sensor System (OBSS) • Extravehicular Mobility Unit Checkout • Centerline Camera Installation • Orbiter Docking System Ring Extension • Orbital Maneuvering System Pod Survey • Rendezvous tools checkout • Shuttle RMS grapple of ELC1 in payload bay

Flight Day 3

• Rendezvous with the International Space Station • Rendezvous Pitch Maneuver Photography of Atlantis’ Thermal Protection System by Stott and Williams of the Expedition 21 • Docking to Harmony/Pressurized Mating Adapter-2 • Hatch Opening and Welcoming (Stott becomes a Shuttle crewmember at hatch opening; no crew exchange) • Shuttle RMS unberth and handoff of ELC1 to Canadarm2 • Installation of ELC1 on P3 truss lower outboard attachment point • Cargo transfer from MRM2 to ISS • Spacewalk 1 procedure review • Spacewalk 1 campout in Quest airlock by Foreman and Satcher

Flight Day 4

• Spacewalk 1 by Foreman and Satcher (installation of spare S-band antenna assembly on Z1 truss, routing of cables for the Space to Ground Antenna, lubrication of the Payload Orbital Replacement System Attachment on the Mobile Base System and the end effector of the Kibo robotic arm, cable preparations for STS-130)

Flight Day 5

• Canadarm2 grapple of OBSS and handoff to Shuttle RMS • Focused inspection of Atlantis’ thermal protection system with the OBSS • Spacewalk 2 procedure review • Spacewalk 2 campout in Quest airlock by Foreman and Bresnik

Flight Day 6

• Shuttle RMS grapple and unberth of ELC2 • Shuttle RMS handoff of ELC2 to Canadarm2 • ELC2 installation on S3 upper outboard attachment point • Spacewalk 2 by Foreman and Bresnik (GATOR ham radio equipment installation on Columbus, Floating Point Measurement Unit relocation, S3 truss nadir payload attachment system deployment, camera wireless system installation on S3 truss) • MRM2 thermal control system activation

Flight Day 7

• Crew off duty time • Spacewalk 3 procedure review • Spacewalk 3 campout in Quest airlock by Satcher and Bresnik

Flight Day 8

• Spacewalk 3 by Satcher and Bresnik (Transfer of High Pressure Oxygen Gas Tank and MISSE 7 to Quest, S3 nadir payload attachment system deploy, jettisoning of MMOD shields)

Flight Day 9

• Joint Crew News Conference • Crew off duty time • Farewells and hatch closure • Rendezvous tools checkout

Flight Day 10

• Atlantis undocking from ISS PMA-2 • Flyaround of ISS and final separation • Late inspection of Atlantis’ thermal protection system with the OBSS

Flight Day 11

• Flight Control System Checkout • Reaction Control System hot-fire test • Crew Deorbit Briefing • Cabin Stowage • Recumbent Seat Setup for Stott

Flight Day 12

• Deorbit preparations • Payload Bay Door closing • Deorbit burn • KSC Landing

From Press Kit. LanceBarber (talk) 06:42, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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"160th American manned space flight". I make it the 161st or 162nd depending on whether or not 51L is counted. I suspect the 160 quoted here includes 51L but fails to include the two X-15 flights which met the FAI definition of 100 km for space (there were a couple more that met the USAF definition of 50 miles, I think). Mercury 6, Gemini 10, X-15 2, Apollo 11, Skylab 3, ASTP 1 = 33 + 127 or 128 previous Shuttle space flights, total 160 or 161. EdDavies (talk) 15:21, 17 November 2009 (UTC) On further reflection, there were three SpaceShipOne space flights. EdDavies (talk) 15:31, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just did some math and with all manned Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, Apollo/Soyuz, Skylab and Space Shuttle missions it is 160. It should be 7 Mercury, 10 Gemini, 11 Apollo, 1 APST, 3 Skylab and 128 Space Shuttle. The X15's aren't counted as they are classed as sub-orbital and the same with Space Ship One launches (plus they are private, not goverenment and owned by Virgin which is a British company).--NavyBlue84 18:05, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There were 6 manned Mercury space flights (7 astronauts, none flew twice in Mercury, Deke Slayton didn't fly until ASTP). The first two of those Mercury flights (MR-3 Alan Shepherd and MR-4 Gus Grissom) were sub-orbital and so should also not count by the classification you are suggesting, in which case the phrase should be "160th American orbital manned space flight".

Also, SpaceShipOne was financed by Paul Allen, an American; Virgin Galactic have only got involved for the development of SpaceShipTwo. EdDavies (talk) 22:01, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

By Sub-orbital terms, Mercury-Redstone 3 & 4 are orbital flights and should be counted. As for SpaceShipOne & Two are private and I am not sure if they are being included.--NavyBlue84 01:24, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

MR-3 & 4 were sub-orbital. Their "trajectories intersected the atmosphere". The Redstone rocket didn't have enough energy to put a Mercury capsule into orbit - they went a couple of hundred kilometres downrange into the Atlantic, not round the Earth. Only the Atlas-launched Mercury missions were orbital. See the "Manned sub-orbital spaceflights" section of the Sub-orbital page referenced above.

SS1 & 2: I think that you're right that they are not being counted because they are private in which case the description should be updated to say this. I also have a sneaking suspicion that some NASA PR bod is being deliberately or unconsciously dismissive of private (or non-NASA - not sure if X-15 flights 90 & 91 were NASA or USAF or even if it's possible to make that distinction) spaceflight. EdDavies (talk) 10:01, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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