Talk:Saif al-Adel

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Speculation[edit]

The last part of this article is pure speculation, unless someone can provide some evidence to the contary. I have rewrittern. 145.253.108.22 11:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Another Saif[edit]

Little is known about Saif al-Islam al-Masri but he has been addressed by the enemy as "the older Saif". Theory: al-Adel could be the other and younger one. Both are Egyptians (al-Masri) and both are said to have been members of al-Qaeda's "military committee", which would explain the use of their ages to tell them apart. LDH 05:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Disputed issues and source problems[edit]

Whether Sayf al-`Adl is the same person as Muhammad Makkawi, former Colonel in the Egyptian Special Forces, is by no means established; there is in fact a good deal of evidence that they are not the same person. There is abundant reporting on this in the Arab press; one need only do an Arabic google search on Muhammad Makkawi to find scores of such articles.

The article states that "some intelligence reports[7] indicate that the Iranians, most notably Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, hope Saif al-Adel will rise to a senior position in al-Qaeda, in hopes of taking the reins as bin Laden's health wanes." This article in the Telegraph (UK) by Con Coughlin provides absolutely no source or evidence for this assertion, and Coughlin is unique in making this claim (though other articles in the Telegraph have made similarly unsourced and exaggerated claims about Iran's relationship with al-Qa`ida). I'm going to change the wording here to "one journalist claims that..." Masarra 22:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay :)[edit]

I deleted the tacky speculation about Ahmadinejad, and I adjusted the bit about Makkawi. Personally I was worried that if al-Adel left Egypt in 1985, aged only about 25, how could he be a colonel? I'll scope around the Arab press a little. LDH 00:06, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

LDH - Saif didn't leave Egypt in '85; he was imprisoned in '87 in connection with the "Higher National Security Case 401," on charges of attempting to revive the al-Jihad Organization (tanzim al-jihad) and attempting to assassinate ex-Interior Minister Hasan al-Basha and journalist Makram Muhammad Ahmad. He was in prison until at least '89, possibly 1990, at which point he moved to South Asia. In his piece on Zarqawi Saif says that at the time of his arrest in '87 he'd achieved the rank of colonel in the Egyptian Special Forces. It does seem odd for someone to have such a rank at the age of ca. 27, but I don't know, maybe Egyptian military promotion in the '80s was different than we'd assume. Here's a site that sums up some of the evidence: http://www.metransparent.com/texts/seif_makkawi_intro.htm; there're other details in various articles in al-Sharq al-Awsat authored by Muhammad al-Shafi`i. In Middle East Transparent site you'll see that it's claimed that Makkawi, at the time a colonel, quit the Egypytian military because of the Camp David Accords, which took place in 1978 - nearly ten years prior to the time when Saif says he was a colonel. Masarra 02:56, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much Masarra. LDH 04:26, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

He trained alongside Hezbollah Al-Hejaz[edit]

The article mentions Saudi Hezbollah so I changed the link from Lebanese to Saudi. What I do not understand is how an Al Qeada man is training with Shiites, although I am not clear about the affiliation of Saudi Hezbollah. I think the reference cited in the article might be from a bogus expert. I am not an expert myself, but this needs a better explanation given the history of Sunni Shiite violence and Al Qeada being extremist Sunni.Geo8rge (talk) 22:41, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Lead has content not in the article[edit]

The Lead has content not in the article; it is supposed to summarize the article, not be separate sources and facts. Parkwells (talk) 16:10, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Article needs content from Lead[edit]

The article needs to have content now only in the Lead.Parkwells (talk) 16:10, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

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