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Requested move 6 April 2017

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. (non-admin closure) TonyBallioni (talk) 14:21, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mount Saint Joseph Academy (Boston, Massachusetts) → Saint Joseph Preparatory High School – I am the Marketing Specialist for Saint Joseph Preparatory High School in Brighton, MA (http://www.saintjosephprep.org/). Recently, I have been trying to change/alter the name of our Wikipedia page. Currently, it says Mount Saint Joseph Academy. However, once you read some of the information on the page, you will learn that the school shut down in 2012 and Saint Joseph Prep was established. I am able to change all of the information on the page but I cannot find out how to change the actual name of the article. If someone could assist, that would be extremely helpful. Thanks! Ms.ShumanSJP (talk) 16:42, 6 April 2017 (UTC)--Relisting. Yashovardhan (talk) 12:52, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support, since you made this request as an RM the page name can't be moved until it's closed, so maybe a quick close will both assure the name and have the name changed. Good luck, and keep up the good work. Randy Kryn 01:42, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    I went ahead on a bold move and changed the page name, as this is more of a non-controversial name change request than an RM (although it is an RM, so please revert if there is an objection). Randy Kryn 01:50, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Update: Moving it during the RM was a no-no, and got discussed at wp:ANI, and it was moved back. --doncram 17:06, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Randy Kryn, please revert your move. Since this school resulted from the merger of two notable institutions, the article (s?) on those institutions should be preserved at their names when they closed and a new article created for the new school. Alternately, content from the earlier version of this article and the other school's article should be merged in detail to an article at this name, leaving redirects for both. A school article should follow the institution, not the building. As an aside, but not for nothing, this article as it stands is pretty unacceptable from a neutrality viewpoint and since a major contributor has identified here as a WP:PAID editor, this has to be dealt with too. Ms.ShumanSJP needs to make herself aware of our restrictions on paid editing and COI and follow best practices for them. John from Idegon (talk) 09:02, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hi John. I don't know how to undo the move, just tried and it doesn't work. I've edited the page in the past few minutes to make it more encyclopedic. Yes, she should realize that paid editors must self-identify, which she did on her user page. My apologies, this seemed like a misguided uncontroversial move request. Randy Kryn 09:10, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'll find an admin to revert it, no worries. And upon further digging, the promo doesn't seem to be Ms. Shuman's doing. Both this article and Trinity's article are horrid. However, that does not change what she must do going forward. A plain COI editor is not banned from directly editing the article, but a PAID editor is. Paid editors are required to propose edits on the talk page. Perhaps we can all work together and form three reasonably good articles to go forward with. John from Idegon (talk) 09:28, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your contributions. So would you suggest I make a whole new page for Saint Joseph Prep HS with our own information? Also, I realized that the side information is still Saint Joseph Prep and not Mount Saint Joseph Academy, could that be changed? --MsShumanSJP

No, don't create a whole new page. User:Ms.ShumanSJP, you are technically a "paid editor" with respect to this page, because you are an employee of the organization and are compensated for that. The others commenting above are suggesting that, but maybe not completely clearly. While it might have been different, in recent years Wikipedia has struggled to deal contributions of text by paid editors due to widespread problems, sometimes overwhelming the volunteer editors. I am not completely familiar with the current policy, but I trust User:John from Idegon's statement that, as a paid editor, you are not to edit the article directly at all. Please don't. You may compose edit requests. (I.E., in a separate section, provide a copy of existing text you wish to replace, provide your suggested new text including supporting citation(s) to published source(s), and include {{Reflist-talk}} so the citations display. Then ask for comments. If/when there's no more discussion about the proposal, place the {{Request edit}} template to request implementation of the edit.) --doncram 17:06, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. It is reasonable to have only one article about the old and new schools, which are in the same building. The other school which got merged into the new school did not have an article as far as I know, and it could possibly also be "covered" here (and if/when that section gets too large it could possibly be split out to a separate article). High schools are notable topics generally, though we are not required to make separate articles for every one, and here a combo is economical. And it is reasonable to move this to the current name of the school. The article needs to have a lede which explains it is about both old and new, and to provide history about the old plus some description of the new. I edited some at the article, with assumption that the move will happen. --doncram 17:06, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Doncram. Moving the article to its new name makes sense, with the added bonus that the new name is WP:NATURAL. -- Tavix (talk) 21:17, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Copy Vio

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Almost the entire article seems to be taken (almost) word for word from http://www.saintjosephprep.org/

Considering that 95% of the content is copy vio, should the entire article get deleted? Is there a nice previous version to revert to? suggestions? Spacecowboy420 (talk) 14:51, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That seems to be a completely false statement. Perhaps the article was changed? I don't see any text in the article overlapping with the webpage http://www.saintjosephprep.org/ itself, nor with its "History" subpage http://www.saintjosephprep.org/page.cfm?p=504. I am going to remove the "copyvio" tagging on the article for now. Please provide an explicit example of text from this article that is supposedly copied, with link to the specific webpage where it appears, before reinstating any such tagging. --doncram 17:17, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It does seem to be completely false. From looking at the article history, I guess I was basing the COPYVIO tag on a previous version of the article, the edits made by User:Ms.ShumanSJP added a lot of content lifted directly from the SJP website, in my haste to tag the article, I must have missed that all of that content had been removed. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:05, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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