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A news item involving Saleh al-Arouri was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the In the news section on 2 January 2024.

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Info about his involvment in the 2014 kidnapping and murder of Israeli teenagers

Here it is written that "Al-Arouri was responsible for the 2014 kidnapping and murder of Israeli teenagers" and that is sourced to six sources. All of them is from when al-Arouri said in a conference in Turkey that Hamas' military wing kidnapped them. If Hamas was involved or not was a central question so it is impossible to have missed that Hamas denied responsibility. This is a perfect example of when only one side of the story is told and the other one is left out. One doesn't even have to search much to see doubts being raised about Saleh al-Arouri's claim, you can just look in the the Wikipedia article 2014 kidnapping and murder of Israeli teenagers and see several of them. One of them is from Haaretz, where Amos Harel and Chaim Levinson write "After the bodies were found, Arouri boasted about the kidnapping. But the defense establishment believes this was empty boasting, and that he had nothing to do with the plot". --IRISZOOM (talk) 20:58, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have updated the article to clarify what the sources are reporting and added the Haaretz article. Another related article is Shin Bet Seeks Lenient Plea Deals for Hamas Operatives to Avoid Testifying About Torture Methods. --IRISZOOM (talk) 16:56, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Precision airstrike"

It's worth noting that the "precision airstrike" that killed al-Arouri also killed at least three other people: https://today.lorientlejour.com/article/1362776/four-hezbollah-fighters-killed-in-southern-lebanon-as-israeli-strikes-continue-day-88-of-hamas-israel-war.html

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2435271/middle-east

Could someone with more points add that in?

MattressSmith (talk) 17:08, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The source does not claim that Israel killed this terrorist. They claim that security forces have said he was killed by an Israeli drone. Also he was not killed in 2023 and also not in Israel or Gaza. Please fix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.63.109.50 (talk) 18:59, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of content

@Vice regent you removed some content, I understand you may this it's undue, but at least move it to body instead of deleting completely. Homerethegreat (talk) 18:05, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit conflict, see my comment in the section below. It contradicts NYT and is WP:EXCEPTIONAL. BLP can apply to contentious material about recently deceased. VR _talk 18:06, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see, but it was sourced though... So can we have, according to yedioth ahronot he is... Homerethegreat (talk) 18:11, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 7

Any claims attributing October 7 attacks to him need WP:EXCEPTIONAL sources. Because he is recently deceased WP:BLP could apply. Any blame will likely need to be attributed. He was not in the Gaza Strip on October 7. The NYT says that "Hamas's own political leaders outside Gaza were also surprised by [the Oct 7 attacks]."VR _talk 18:05, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see it was sourced though, can we have it as an attribution in the body? Homerethegreat (talk) 18:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide multiple sources to back this claim contradicted by NYT? How would you propose to word it in the body? VR _talk 18:48, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even the BBC doesn't say anything in its coverage of Arouri's death[1]. In fact, it indirectly hints against it by writing "The masterminds of Hamas's 7 October atrocities in southern Israel, including Yahya Sinwar, are still believed to be hiding somewhere in Gaza despite Israel's turbo-charged manhunt." Arouri was very clearly not in Gaza, but rather Lebanon.VR _talk 03:26, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of him being on US terror list from lead of article

Al Arouri being on the US terror list has been removed from the lead, I think it's WP:DUE information to be in the lead. Homerethegreat (talk) 18:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you show why this is DUE for the lead? VR _talk 18:48, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't put claims in the lead that are not in the article

The lead currently says "He was described as Iran's man inside Hamas." But that is nowhere to be found in the article. It should be moved to the body. VR _talk 18:52, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for fixing it. VR _talk 18:58, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Add a space between "with" and "Israeli" in the second sentence of the lead section. Udi Levy, who has worked for over 30 years withIsraeli intelligence, described al-Arouri as "Iran's man inside Hamas" SSchiavon 00:45, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Done ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 01:19, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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His nationality can't be Palestinian as there is no such country or tribe and never has been. 2406:2D40:204E:D10:CC42:A3F9:AF62:13EE (talk) 01:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 03:25, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Allegedly by Israeli Military, not conducted by Israeli Military. Unconfirmed reports

On 2 January 2024, al-Arouri was assassinated in the Dahieh neighborhood of Beirut through a precision airstrike conducted by (Allegedly) the Israeli military. 173.71.79.21 (talk) 04:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Request for the last sentence of the article precision drone attack conducted by the Israeli military to be removed as it is left over from an earlier edit and the aerial strike has hence already been mentioned in the first sentence of the paragraph. Not stating anything about whether the ''by the Israeli military'' should be included or not, just stating that the sentence structure does not work like this within the paragraph. Romeowth (talk) 18:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Already done . Snowmanonahoe (talk · contribs · typos) 22:33, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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On 2 January 2024, Arouri, 57, was assassinated in the Dahieh neighborhood of Beirut by an airstrike.<ref name="death">"Explosion hits southern Beirut, killing Hamas official Saleh al-Arouri". Thisismyeditingaccount (talk) 04:36, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 07:26, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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In Saleh_al-Arouri#Later_life_and_assassination, one reads: "The assassination, which also killed five other individuals"; it should read "six other individuals" per Assassination of Saleh al-Arouri and the sources in that article (Reuters, BBC). Automatik (talk) 00:17, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done — FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 07:36, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks FenrisAureus! I do notice however that the BBC reference now appears twice in the article: refs 49 and 51. Perhaps they should be merged. Automatik (talk) 15:28, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal

There was no consensus on whether to merge. (non-admin closure) —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 01:33, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Propose to merge Assassination of Saleh al-Arouri into this article, specifically the Saleh_al-Arouri#Later_life_and_assassination section. The separate assassination article was originally created as 2024 Beirut explosion, before it was known that had actually transpired and the article name was changed. Not seeing what's inherently notable about the assassination that would preclude this information just being included on Saleh al-Arouri's main page. Having separate pages also just invites inconsistencies between the two pages as more reporting comes out. Longhornsg (talk) 22:39, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 04:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Clearly fulfills notability for a standalone article considering significant coverage. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose: It was a major attack and heavy escalation of the Israel–Hezbollah conflict. It had high levels of media coverage. Prodrummer619 (talk) 21:03, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

heavy escalation? only Hamas members were targeted and killed. Automatik (talk) 15:46, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support for merge per WP:REDUNDANT. Automatik (talk) 15:46, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Notable event with substantial media coverage. Skitash (talk) 20:10, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A topic's inclusion in Wikipedia should be based on its notability, not mainly on its media presence. Historical significance > topicality (which is only valid in the heat of the moment).

Portal:Current_events lists topics with wide media coverage, that do not request an article. An example is "Google lays off hundreds of employees in its core engineering team, and others working on Google Assistant and Google's hardware products. (The New York Times)", which has wider media coverage than "Assassination of Saleh al-Arouri". Automatik (talk) 21:58, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Jebiguess (talk) 03:23, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose - This event is very well notable and had a very good media coverage and deserves an article of its own Abo Yemen ✉ 14:45, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose: Both articles notable in their own right as evidenced by significant coverage; read WP:Notability. Makeandtoss (talk) 16:02, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support. Any update of one will generally have to be included in the other and the opposite of streamline. If anything, possibly the main Aarouri article should be included in the assassination article.2A01:6500:A105:134C:4EFC:AB81:2F8:7740 (talk) 03:01, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wanted Poster

71189725007-lebanese-poster-8-5-x-11-eng-5081.jpg (300×389) Personisgaming (talk) 12:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I meant to do this; disregard the link above

Gaza attack: Hamas leader Saleh al-Arouri a key link to Hezbollah, Iran Personisgaming (talk) 12:07, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]