Talk:Stereotypes of African Americans

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Pine Sol Lady[edit]

Man - Wikipedia is really entertaining. I'm getting a big kick out of the way someone haphazardly inserted a reference to "the Pine-Sol Lady" in the middle of a reference to Aunt Jemima, creating this doozy: "Two other images that reinforced the stereotype in popular culture was the image of Aunt Jemima on breakfast items and the Pine-Sol Lady, a dark-skinned, slightly overweight, motherly figure.[7] In the 1990s, the Quaker Oats Company removed her trademark red bandana and eliminated her slave dialect.[7]" I don't remember the Pine-Sol lady ever having a red bandana or using a slave dialect, but, maybe I missed that ad? And, of course, reference [7] can't have mentioned "the Pine Sol lady" since it was published in 1990, three years before she first appeared. Well...at least they changed "Another image" to "Two other images" at the beginning, huh? LMAO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.181.198.215 (talk) 10:04, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

67.181.198.215 I removed it, but only because the reference did not link to anything. It will be saved in the revision history, and will be restored in due time when an accurate reference can be ascertained. Boomer VialHolla! We gonna ball! 16:19, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Intro too long[edit]

The intro to this article is way too long; it should be condensed to a few short paragraphs at most. Sdkb (talk) 06:57, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Sdkb I've shortened it up some, but it still seems too long. What do you think? Boomer VialHolla! We gonna ball! 21:07, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Whether to include or exclude references to Stephen Gould's work "The Mismeasure of Man" in this article[edit]

Although Stephen J. Gould's body of work as a whole has held up well, it should be kept in mind that "The Mismeasure of Man" has not. Gould devoted an entire chapter to probably deliberately misasessing the data of Morton, an early 19th century natural scientist. This casts a shadow over the book as a whole. The concern is that including reference to this book in this Wikipedia article may risk making the page appear poorly researched. It may well be that there are other chapters in Gould's book that do a good job of explaining African-American stereotypes. But in light of the Morton issue, it's hard to have confidence in this possibility. It seems likely that many people will see "The Mismeasure of Man" and not want to keep reading. Certainly many periodicals, such as the New York Times, reported on the debunking research in 2011. And well-regarded scientists such as John Hawks and others I quote below have weighed in against Gould's research, as well as Gould himself. The link to the research that has debunked this chapter can be found at this link. (Plos Biology is a high impact, peer-reviewed journal.) http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article/metrics?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1001071#citedHeader

From an article in Scientific American: "Commenting on Gould's claim that bias often influences science, an unsigned editorial in The New York Times remarked, "Right now it looks as though he proved his point, just not as he intended." The anthropologist and blogger John Hawks claims that the "straightforward" analysis of Holloway et al. shows that Gould clearly engaged in "utter fabulation." Hawks added, "Some of Gould's mistakes are outrageous, with others it is hard for me to believe that the misstatements were not deliberate misrepresentations."

Ralph Holloway of Columbia University has called him a "fact fudging charlatan." The famed Edward O. Wilson said “I believe Gould was a charlatan." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Genett Ics (talkcontribs) 13:53, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Please provide verifiable sources. I'm also interested in seeing your response to Nishidani's comment on User talk:Malik Shabazz EvergreenFir (talk) 04:39, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

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