Talk:Stewart Nozette

Not On National Space Council

I hope this message gets to Scapler. I saw your message about sources saying that Nozette was on the National Space Council. I am here to tell you that those sources are wrong. I was under the impression that Wikipedia strives to be accurate. Again, I was there, I know. Keep the statement in but know that it is false. Whysosirius (talk) 16:41, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but we cannot simply take your word for it. Please read WP:OR as to why. Secondly, Wikipedia strives for verifiability not truth. Almost every source about his arrest mentions his working in the Bush, Sr. council. I see many, many reliable sources backing this up and unfortunately, that is what I have to go with. かんぱい！ Scapler (talk) 17:46, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Americans convicted of spying for Israel

Is it fair to have this guy in the category "Americans convicted of spying for Israel"? He didn't actually spy for Israel... he thought he was, but he wasn't. -Quasipalm (talk) 11:37, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

On top of that, he has not been convicted of anything, only arrested. Putting him in this category is incorrect and a lie. Innocent until proven guilty. We have to be careful with living people. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 15:33, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Nozette has been convicted and during his interviews he said "Mossad, I thought i've been working for you for years." --108.18.186.241 (talk) 20:06, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Cease the defamatory nonsense forthwith.He never spied for Israel, was never charged with spying for Israel, and was never convicted of spying for Israel. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 20:26, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Well lets see what the Papers say http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2009/1020/p06s29-wome.html

"The complaint does not accuse him of spying for Israel, but it did reveal that Nozette believed he had already been working for Mossad through a front organization in the past. According to the document, he told an undercover agent whom he believed to be from Mossad, "I thought I was working for you already. I mean, that's what I always thought. [The foreign company] was just a front."

That company has been identified in the Israeli press as Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI), which is owned by the Israeli government and is the country's largest aerospace and defense company.

Now I realize many people are hypersensitive about accusations of every jewish person being an israeli spy, but,at least in Stew's case, he thought he was a Mossad Agent for over a decade.

I'd also add here is the FBI Criminal Complaint, http://www.fas.org/irp/ops/ci/nozette-complaint.pdf

Item 34 "Nozette: I thought I was working for you already. ...."

--108.18.186.241 (talk) 22:22, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Removal of categories

I have removed Nozette from all categories affiliating him with Israel or calling him an Israeli spy. The DoD and DoJ have expicitly stated that at no point was Israel involved with Nozette. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 15:38, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, he was a consultant for Israel Aerospace Industries, which is owned by the government of Israel, so I don't see how you can say he has "no" affiliation with Israel. 76.241.158.189 (talk) 23:44, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Spies category

Until his conviction, I think putting him in the "Spies" category constitutes a BLP violation. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 10:52, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Removing Court Documents

The Israel Lobby Archive is offering a set of court documents about the Nozette Case, which has not received much press or other coverage. These documents should not be arbitrarily removed from the Nozette page without a full substantiation of any case against them.

DISINTERESTED PUBLIC (talk) 11:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

POV

a. Using the misleading headlines (Daily Telegraph: "Top US scientist accused of trying to spy for Israel", and a French news outlet (are there no English ones) "US scientist charged with attempted spying for Israel" (my emphasis) in the references (which are not referring to anything) - is POV.

b. Using a source as Institute for Research on Middle Eastern Policy which whitewashes Hamas who never changed their policy here (The link on their website leads to arabnews...) and call the war on terror "The so-called war on terror" is POV.

c. Removing the POV will not be enough. In order to balance this, there must be a section of the usage done with Nozette's case for defaming Israel or Jews in general. (References: google for Israeli spy nozette. One major reference is the Research on Middle Eastern Policy and its referenced websites, a host of media outlets and newspapers with misleading headlines and articles) פשוט pashute ♫ (talk) 18:10, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

So it is a POV to use reliable sources in the article? Do you suggest that we remove all references that have a headline like this or all Daily Telegraph citations? Regarding your other points, I have removed the irmep.org reference, since it is never actually used as a reference in the article. As to adding the section about allegations that the Nozette case was meant to defame Isreal, feel free to add such a section, but only if it is extremely well-sourced. I warn you that, even if some sources say that it was a conspiracy, since the vast majority do not, then such a position is a fringe theory. かんぱい！ Scapler (talk) 18:49, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Just for reference, once a suspect either pleads guilty, or is found guilty by a court, the word "alleged" is no longer used. 76.241.158.189 (talk) 22:56, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

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A Question From The Subject Of The Article

I am posting this for the consideration of editors who may be interested in reappraising this article. I am Stewart Nozette, the person who is its subject. While I understand that Wikipedia has its own rules governing the creation and maintenance of article topics, I would like to make amendments.

My concern is that, although I do not dispute any specific claims made in the article, it presents an incomplete picture. This is especially true regarding my conviction on federal charges, including some basic facts and overall context. Having spoken with experts on Wikipedia matters, I recognize I do not have the necessary third-party citations that tell the events properly. Rest assured, what was reported publicly is only a small part of the story.

I have pardon documents from my release that will shed new light on this, as will my memoir. I have no website at present to link to, but will gladly post them in this discussion if this is possible.

My Presidential Pardon number is C277648 on the Presidential Pardon website.was administratively closed on 11/17/20. The reasons may be "direct appeal"

The Office of the Pardon Attorney closed the case without Presidential action due to the petitioner’s death, unresponsiveness, foreign residency, withdrawal of the petition, direct appeal, or if clemency cannot provide the relief sought.

I suspect someone closed the case as Trump left. That suggests the materials made it to the White House and were dealt with in some fashion and were considered a "direct appeal". Note I told Jared to prioritize Pollard and they did Pardon Pollard's Israeli handler at Netanyahu's request.

The number might serve as a starting point to show it in the Presidential Records Act.

My thanks in advance to anyone who takes the time to review my comment and take up its suggestions. --~~~~ SDNozette (talk) 18:35, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Adding detail about Stewart Nozette

I would like to add a paragraph which is verifiable: does the fact that I have a vested interest in the fact that I have edited the subject's memoirs for his agent mean that I cannot post this paragraph? If so, please let me know. Meantime, I will add it in the hope that it does not contravene Wiki regs. The agent is verifiable as Gold Dust. I also have documents relating to verification of the pardon mentioned, but I do not have a website. Is it possible to log them on Wiki as source material? Thanks. Salzend (talk) 17:30, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

I have now added, with citation, after advice from Wiki help. Thanks. Salzend (talk) 13:39, 7 May 2023 (UTC)