Talk:Submarine warfare in the Black Sea campaigns (1941)

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	This article was accepted from this draft on 4 October 2017 by reviewer 1990'sguy (talk · contribs).

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Split page[edit]

I have split this page creating a new one for 1942 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_warfare_in_the_Black_Sea_campaigns_(1942) With the sheer number of data, i think it make more sense and allow a more clean and rich series of pages. Furthermore other pages like 1943 and 1944 could be created. Lupodimare89 (talk) 17:13, 16 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Future categories and incoming wikilinks from other articles[edit]

Wikilinks: Black Sea campaigns (1941–44), Soviet M-class submarine, Romanian Naval Forces#World War II and postwar, List of shipwrecks in July 1941#9 July, July 1941#July 9, 1943 (Wednesday), Mangalia

Categories: Category:Naval battles of World War II involving Romania, Category:Naval battles of World War II involving the Soviet Union, Category:Naval battles and operations of the European theatre of World War II, Category:Military history of the Black Sea Alcherin (talk) 21:32, 28 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

New plans[edit]

User:Alcherin I got a new idea: all the submarine actions taking place near the Romanian coast. What I did so far is very rough, will refine in a few days. Unless you want to make adjustments, which I would gladly welcome. 79.113.129.252 (talk) 15:33, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still not really sure about whether there is enough significant coverage in reliable sources to spin it out as a separate article - much more has been written in reliable sources about similar articles (Battle of the Atlantic and related pages, Mediterranean U-boat Campaign (World War II), Allied submarines in the Pacific War and Japanese submarines in the Pacific War) that justifies their inclusion as articles. However the accounts of these submarine encounters would fit in at Black Sea campaigns (1941-1944). Alcherin (talk) 20:11, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well the main 3 engagements got 3 sources each (forgot to add for Jibrieni, will do tomorrow) and I can even provide more if really required. Curacao Bombardment has only 2 sources, if I recall correctly, and still no notability Issues there. Anyway, I'll ponder what we'll do, maybe include all of the Black Sea submarine campaign, with mine warfare and such. Something like Axis anti-submarine warfare in the Black Sea. The reason I'm pushing this is that submarines were by far the most numerous warship losses in the Black Sea, 17 Soviet submarines were lost out of 44, so I consider they deserve their own article. Yes, Black Sea Campaigns, emphasis on the plural. This would be the submarine campaign. In ultimate instance, I would agree adding the actions to the BSC article, but you would have to do it, for I am bound to be reverted if I try. 2A02:2F08:6040:81F:7999:D8DA:2DDE:69AD (talk) 21:10, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's not only about the number of sources but the extent to which relevant detail is discussed in those sources (i.e. extensive coverage in reliable sources). To separate out an article specifically on submarines in the Black Sea would require that there are reliable sources that specifically deal with this topic, preferably giving it some sort of name. Historical significance (in terms of Soviet submarine losses) don't by themselves establish notability, but historical significance does usually mean that it will have been discussed in extensive detail in reliable sources. Alcherin (talk) 08:42, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I understand, and frankly, I will think things accordingly eventually. Meanwhile, as a stop-gap meausre, I added the Mangalia battle to Operation Munchen, and the Danube battles at Chilia branch. I am preparing for university, so really I will have little time for editing in the near future, thus I'm afraid I have to put article creation on hold for the time being, or at least be discontinued. 86.120.125.199 (talk)

Not ready for mainspace[edit]

@Legacypac: Article title has yet to be determined. The IP editor involved took an old draft and changed the content to include much more than the original scope of the title. As such I do not believe it is ready for publication into mainspace. Ping other involved editors K.e.coffman and Sulfurboy. Alcherin (talk) 02:19, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ya this was a page up for G13 deletion. It looked to be worth a second look. I've got

Nothing to urge on it. Legacypac (talk) 04:16, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]