Talk:Taos Revolt

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Tomás' surname[edit]

The Taos Indian Tomás' surname in this article is listed as "Romero", but in the Siege of Pueblo de Taos article, it is listed as Baca. All my sources refer to him only as either Tomás or Tomasito (Spanish diminutive for Tomás, akin to the English "Tommy"), and give no surname. I am assuming that Tomás Baca and Tomás Romero are one and the same person, given the detail about Tomas Baca's death in the Siege of Pueblo de Taos article. What are the sources for the surnames Baca/Romero as pertain to Tomás/Tomasito?

In Spanish language it is quite common to have two surnames, one inherited from each parent. English sources tend to get it wrong thinking the first surname (the father's) is the middle name, so they cite the mother's surname instead. It wouldn't suprise me if Tomasito's full name where either "Tomas Romero Baca" or "Tomas Baca Romero". I don't know for sure if this may be the case, but it is still a possibility. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 21:37, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Agreed, although it was also common for the Mexicans of the time to give Indians Spanish first names without regard for surnames, like Victorio, Manuelito, and Geronimo. --Murcielago 21:45, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I found the "Romero" last name in a couple of places, but in front of me is Durand's The Taos Massacres, which I think is in the references, but if not, I'll add it. Carptrash 23:26, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

WP:MilHist Assessment[edit]

A very nice start, this article just needs overall expansion. All the sections seem quite short, but the introduction in particular needs help - it should tell the average reader the basics of all he needs to know, just in the intro. Also needs a military conflict infobox and/or a picture. That top right-hand section looks empty as is. LordAmeth 11:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

massacres[edit]

Does anyone mind if I change "Massacres" to "revolt"? this is the title of the article and possibly less POV. Musaabdulrashid 23:47, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Good idea. LordAmeth 00:49, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Date of Bent killing[edit]

Can we ascertain correct dates? I'm not sure to what events the date October 30, 1847 corresponds. This is certainly outside of the timeline.

Turley's Mill[edit]

I added some info on the fight, and the survivors, as well as a couple of references. Two of them are web articles, the Albert one citing an excellent list of references. The Tobin web article may not meet RS, but it's good info, confirmed by a book on Tobin I am also adding to the ref list, along with a Denver Post review of the book, which gives a good snynopsis. Crockspot 18:32, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Delete Terrorism Infoboxes[edit]

I deleted the terrorism infoboxes below the separately listed "Massacres". This is inaccurate - the uprising took place during war by forces who had been attacked by US military; these were not terrorist activities. I agree the title of the article is better as "Taos Revolt". Parkwells (talk) 16:42, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

I am not quite sure what the "terrorist infoboxes" were that you removed at Taos Revolt, but unless they referred to the US occupying forces, I agree with you. My (possible) disagreement comes in the change that you made to the citation of the Garrard book. The book, in hand, is credited to "Lewis H. Garrard" so I believe that he should be referred to as that. If, on the other hand, you think that we should reference his real name, that was Hector Lewis Garrard. "Lewis H." was the nom-de-plume that he wrote under. See you around, Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 01:59, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Einar, Thanks for the info - moved your comments here to the article Talk page to keep the discussion together. You can see the Terrorist Infoboxes on the history page in a comparison of changes. They referred to the deaths caused by the New Mexicans and Indians (labeled in the article as "Massacres", which was typical of US history when Americans were killed, but I want to check if that was the way they were commonly called) as those by terrorists, which is simply incorrect. I'll change back Garrard's name; had seen his full name listed on Googlebooks and Amazon.com, so thought that was the reference. I'm reading his book on Googlebooks.Parkwells (talk) 15:45, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I just removed[edit]

these tribes ]], Apache, Comanche and Kiowa from the article pending verification. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:06, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

the closing sentence[edit]

in the article:

After the US forces won each battle, the New Mexicans and Native Americans ended open warfare.

makes it sound as if open warfare was ended three times. How can we improve this ending? Let's end with a BANG and not a whimper. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 15:40, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Bad Source[edit]

The following source is a novel:^ Durand, John, ‘’The Taos Massacres’’, Puzzlebox Press, Elkhorn, WI 2004, p. 266. Because it is a work of fiction I do not feel that it is proper to use it as a source. Gordontaos (talk) 04:54, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Better Sources[edit]

I am adding two sources that are pretty good. The first, Tragedy at Taos, does a fair job of setting the stage. The second, Taos 1847, is primarily transcripts of source materials not included in the other sources listed here. Both, unfortunately, tell the story completely from the Anglo viewpoint.Gordontaos (talk) 19:34, 1 April 2014 (UTC)